Has anyone paddled the new Perception Eclipse. I think it is a re-design of the venerable Sea Lion. My club is in the market for some plastic boats, with the primary requirements being... 1. Does not weathercock 2. Does not need a rudder or skeg to achieve #1 Our club has several old sea lions, which have been quite useful, but they do weathercock a little too much. I am hoping that the redesign has taken care of that problem. I would also be interested in any comments regarding the handling of the Perception Shadow, which appears to be a smaller SeaLion, more or less. And I would love to hear about any other plastic boats that meet the above requirements. Thanks a bunch, Kevin ___________________ / Kevin Whilden \ |Dept. of Geosciences \___ |University of Washington \ |kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu| \________________________/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:07:59 K. Whilden wrote: >I would also be interested in any comments regarding the handling of the >Perception Shadow, which appears to be a smaller SeaLion, more or less. >And I would love to hear about any other plastic boats that meet the above >requirements. My wife paddles a Shadow and so far has not been pleased with its tendancy to weathercock (let me also add that this is our first year of kayaking so our skill levels aren't exactly high yet). Unfortunately due to her size (5'6" and very slim (I ain't dumb enough to publish her weight)) she was really limited in her selection of which plastic kayak to get. (strong incentive to upgrade to glass or build a Coho or Osprey Std (which would be better for someone her size?)) IIRC she found the CD Squall (that's the smaller one right, not the Storm) to not weathercock as much. The downside to it was that it took a lot of effort for her to get it moving and was hard to turn. Now I'm going to tread onto a touchy subject. I personally think that part of her problem with the Shadow weathercocking on her is self induced. She likes to paddle at a very slow pace (I outpace her even with breaks to let her catch up). When I paddle at her pace my Looksha IV starts to weathercock too (very little forward motion to offset the weathercocking). I will grant her that she is small and no where near as strong as me (no, I'm not buff). Another problem that she has that is only partially her fault is that she won't lean to counter the weathercocking. This is probably more due to the fact that we need to seriously pad out her cockpit. She has no contact between her hips and the boat/seat (I said she was small). She claims that she doesn't have enough control to effectively lean. Padding out our cockpits is high on the agenda (I just backordered the Sea Kayaker with the article on how to do that). The conclusion here is that the Shadow does weathercock, especially for the smaller person it was supposedly designed for. Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Mel Grindol wrote: <snip> A couple of thoughts on what Mel wrote: > > > Now I'm going to tread onto a touchy subject. I personally think that > part of her problem with the Shadow weathercocking on her is self induced. > She likes to paddle at a very slow pace (I outpace her even with breaks to > let her catch up). When I paddle at her pace my Looksha IV starts to > weathercock too (very little forward motion to offset the weathercocking). I have an Arctic Hawk and had a lot of problems with weathercocking. I found that the best thing to offset it was to lean back, not forwards. My usual paddling style has a lot of forward lean. But in a beam wind if I lean back, while it makes for less efficient paddling, the boat tracks much better - so overall it's an advantage. But perhaps it's different in other boats. > I will grant her that she is small and no where near as strong as me (no, > I'm not buff). > > Another problem that she has that is only partially her fault is that > she won't lean to counter the weathercocking. This is probably more due > to the fact that we need to seriously pad out her cockpit. She has no > contact between her hips and the boat/seat (I said she was small). She > claims that she doesn't have enough control to effectively lean. Padding > out our cockpits is high on the agenda (I just backordered the Sea Kayaker > with the article on how to do that). Being tight in the boat makes a huge difference in the ability to lean it and prevent weathercocking. I paddled a Sea Lion for a year. I'm 5'3" and not slim, but not tall enough or top-heavy enough to lean the boat at all well. In bad conditions I had to use the rudder to avoid really getting tired trying to go straight. The Arctic Hawk is a lower volume boat and therefore tighter and easier to lean, but still not perfect. Recently I've begun paddling a Recluse, which is a _very_ low-volume boat and it's definitely tight. It's a breeze to lean and make it track in any wind. That is probably also related to other features of boat design, but it does suggest that padding your wife's boat a lot so she is tight in it will help. Joy Hecht Arlington VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 06:07 PM 10/19/98 -0400, Joy E. Hecht wrote: >On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Mel Grindol wrote: > ><snip> > >A couple of thoughts on what Mel wrote: > >> >> >> Now I'm going to tread onto a touchy subject. I personally think that >> part of her problem with the Shadow weathercocking on her is self induced. >> She likes to paddle at a very slow pace (I outpace her even with breaks to >> let her catch up). When I paddle at her pace my Looksha IV starts to >> weathercock too (very little forward motion to offset the weathercocking). > >I have an Arctic Hawk and had a lot of problems with weathercocking. I >found that the best thing to offset it was to lean back, not forwards. >My usual paddling style has a lot of forward lean. But in a beam wind if >I lean back, while it makes for less efficient paddling, the boat tracks >much better - so overall it's an advantage. But perhaps it's different >in other boats. > > >> I will grant her that she is small and no where near as strong as me (no, >> I'm not buff). >> >> Another problem that she has that is only partially her fault is that >> she won't lean to counter the weathercocking. This is probably more due >> to the fact that we need to seriously pad out her cockpit. She has no >> contact between her hips and the boat/seat (I said she was small). She >> claims that she doesn't have enough control to effectively lean. Padding >> out our cockpits is high on the agenda (I just backordered the Sea Kayaker >> with the article on how to do that). > >Being tight in the boat makes a huge difference in the ability to lean it >and prevent weathercocking. I paddled a Sea Lion for a year. I'm 5'3" >and not slim, but not tall enough or top-heavy enough to lean the boat at >all well. In bad conditions I had to use the rudder to avoid really >getting tired trying to go straight. The Arctic Hawk is a lower volume >boat and therefore tighter and easier to lean, but still not perfect. >Recently I've begun paddling a Recluse, which is a _very_ low-volume boat >and it's definitely tight. It's a breeze to lean and make it track in any >wind. That is probably also related to other features of boat design, but >it does suggest that padding your wife's boat a lot so she is tight in it >will help. > > >Joy Hecht >Arlington VA > Joy I also paddle a Arctic Hawk and have no problem with weather cocking. Of course I am 5' 10" and weigh in around 240lbs so it is a low volume kayak that is tight fitting for me. So I guess it is all relative to who paddles what kayak to how it performs. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Joy E. Hecht wrote: > Being tight in the boat makes a huge difference in the ability to lean it > and prevent weathercocking. I paddled a Sea Lion for a year. I'm 5'3" > and not slim, but not tall enough or top-heavy enough to lean the boat at > all well. In bad conditions I had to use the rudder to avoid really > getting tired trying to go straight. The Arctic Hawk is a lower volume > boat and therefore tighter and easier to lean, but still not perfect. > Recently I've begun paddling a Recluse, which is a _very_ low-volume boat > and it's definitely tight. It's a breeze to lean and make it track in any > wind. That is probably also related to other features of boat design, but > it does suggest that padding your wife's boat a lot so she is tight in it > will help. > > > Joy Hecht > Arlington VA joy, how do those boats compare to a shorter [14'6"] wider[unkown?32"?] boat with a couple inches rocker? the traveller you borrowed, or to mike's seda viking [15'6" x ?32?"] i'd love to hear the comparison. we had a moderate wind, and while the traveller "seemed" much slower, my time for the lake crossing was only 5 minutes less than last year. and while on that subject, [sort of!!] let's start a new thread here, like a "floating, internet membership" for local clubs, so travelling club members can join other club's trips, even though not a member of the local club. sort of "virtual memberships" mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: "In a world without fences, who needs 'Gates'" -- Scott McNealy "In a world without walls, who needs 'Windows'" -- Dave Livigni *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Mark Zen wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 1998, Joy E. Hecht wrote: > > > Being tight in the boat makes a huge difference in the ability to lean it > > and prevent weathercocking. I paddled a Sea Lion for a year. I'm 5'3" > > and not slim, but not tall enough or top-heavy enough to lean the boat at > > all well. In bad conditions I had to use the rudder to avoid really > > getting tired trying to go straight. The Arctic Hawk is a lower volume > > boat and therefore tighter and easier to lean, but still not perfect. > > Recently I've begun paddling a Recluse, which is a _very_ low-volume boat > > and it's definitely tight. It's a breeze to lean and make it track in any > > wind. That is probably also related to other features of boat design, but > > it does suggest that padding your wife's boat a lot so she is tight in it > > will help. > > > > > > Joy Hecht > > Arlington VA > > joy, how do those boats compare to a shorter [14'6"] wider[unkown?32"?] > boat with a couple inches rocker? the traveller you borrowed, or to mike's > seda viking [15'6" x ?32?"] i'd love to hear the comparison. we had a > moderate wind, and while the traveller "seemed" much slower, my time for > the lake crossing was only 5 minutes less than last year. Hi Mark! Good to hear from you again. I don't know if I can make a sensible comparison with your boats, because I didn't paddle them enough to tell, and they are so different from mine. As you know, I couldn't make your little boat go anywhere at all, much less in a straight line. Mike's Viking (isn't that yours now?) is a higher volume boat than any of mine, and I don't think I could lean it that well. It did weathercock some, though not as much as the Arctic Hawk, I don't think. The Hawk and the Recluse are both definitely faster than the Viking. I could certainly have controlled the Recluse more easily than either of yours, and probably the Hawk. What boat were you in when you were five minutes slower? Is that the traveller vs. the Spectrum? (The traveller is the one I was in, right?) The spectrum isn't a big boat, not that much longer than the traveller. When I paddled one once I found it spun around a lot and was quite slow compared to the Sea Lion which I then paddled regularly. Length makes an enormous difference - the Sea Lion is 17'2", the Hawk 17'11", and the Recluse 19'. I'm pretty sure the Recluse is the fastest of the three, and it definitely tracks the best. That's not a very good comparison, but I hope it helps! Come to Washington sometime, and you can try my boats and see what you think about the differences. > > and while on that subject, [sort of!!] let's start a new thread here, like > a "floating, internet membership" for local clubs, so travelling club > members can join other club's trips, even though not a member of the local > club. sort of "virtual memberships" > Gee, I think anyone can go on CPA trips - you don't have to be a member. (Greg, correct me if I'm wrong!) There are lots of CPA folks on paddlewise, so just send out an email for info if you're going to be in the area. And make sure you've got the right cold water gear, CPA is strict about that. Joy Hecht Arlington VA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
This is an excellent idea Mark and ties in with an idea I had. I have offered a friend who has a shop set up a section of his webpage to list paddle boat put-ins with such information as map, parking, water specs, close rental/supply, etc. A web listing of local club trips may relate quite well... by the way, I would be interested in anyone's thoughts on what to include with a public put-in directory. Here is what we thought of so far: where (link to tripquest or something) tide/current info. (also possibly a link for tide info) type and size (river/lake/coastal, depth, length, etc.) seasonal issues (from insects to weather) camping avail. picture (if possible) rental and portage suppliers parking (avail. and distance)and public transport costs Is this of any use? other parameters? would anybody contribute once this is established? thanks, gabriel -- gabriel l romeu http://members.aol.com/romeug studio furniture http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
You would probably also want to address what skill level would be recommended as well as any other safety considerations not covered by you other items. At 08:59 PM 10/19/98 -0400, Gabriel L Romeu wrote: >This is an excellent idea Mark and ties in with an idea I had. I have >offered a friend who has a shop set up a section of his webpage to list >paddle boat put-ins with such information as map, parking, water specs, >close rental/supply, etc. > >A web listing of local club trips may relate quite well... > >by the way, I would be interested in anyone's thoughts on what to >include with a public put-in directory. Here is what we thought of so >far: > >where (link to tripquest or something) >tide/current info. (also possibly a link for tide info) >type and size (river/lake/coastal, depth, length, etc.) >seasonal issues (from insects to weather) >camping avail. >picture (if possible) >rental and portage >suppliers >parking (avail. and distance)and public transport >costs > >Is this of any use? other parameters? would anybody contribute once >this is established? thanks, gabriel > > > > >-- >gabriel l romeu >http://members.aol.com/romeug studio furniture >http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. >http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Saul Kinderis wrote: > > You would probably also want to address what skill level would be > recommended as well as any other safety considerations not covered by you > other items. Yes Saul, important consideration. > >costs > > > >Is this of any use? other parameters? would anybody contribute once > >this is established? thanks, gabriel > > > > > > Gabriel L Romeu http://users.aol.com/romeug -------> furniture http://users.aol.com/romeugp ---> paintings, prints, photos + stuff http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR --> a daily journal of observations *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Not to be the wet blanket here, but I'd be a little cautious about trying to do too much with regards to skill levels. One person's "easy" is another's "moderate" or even "difficult" - very hard to pick a system that's always going to work, be accurate, etc. It seems better to stay with objective information as much as possible. For example, is the area one that has a reputation for sudden weather changes, known problems under certain wind direction/speed, or tide conditions, etc? Is it an area known for particular (or an area which commonly or often experiences) steep/shallow swells of x size, etc. ? Other advantages of avoiding a ranking of skill levels is that it helps to "level the field" where a guide might involve entries from several contributors. Also, what if the guide rates an area that commonly experiences 2 foot swells "easy," some novice comes in, panics, gets in trouble, and decides to make an issue of how the rating really should have been "intermediate"? Steering clear of skills levels and just saying "1-2 foot swells common under wind conditions of less than 10 mph" (or whatever) avoids all those problems and still lets the paddler know that they'd better be comfortable with a little wave action if they want to paddle there. It also might help a person determine, regardless of paddler skill level, as to whether an area is likely to provide the opportunity for that quiet paddle or a little surfing on a particular day. Whew! Sorry for the length. Just my nickel's worth...... -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com> To: Saul Kinderis <saul_at_isomedia.com> Cc: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] virtual memberships (was peception eclipse) >Saul Kinderis wrote: >> >> You would probably also want to address what skill level would be >> recommended as well as any other safety considerations not covered by you >> other items. > >Yes Saul, important consideration. > >> >costs >> > >> >Is this of any use? other parameters? would anybody contribute once >> >this is established? thanks, gabriel >> > >> > >> > >Gabriel L Romeu >http://users.aol.com/romeug -------> furniture >http://users.aol.com/romeugp ---> paintings, prints, photos + stuff >http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR --> a daily journal of observations > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
David, There are some methods for describing the difficulty of sea kayak trips that are similar to whitewater classification. Here is the system that my club uses. Incidently, I am afraid that only students faculty and staff of the University of washington can join my club. But oh what a deal it is for those who can! Woops, the mailer choked on the cut and paste, so here is the URL for the SK ratings, starting at SK-I and going up to SK-V http://weber.u.washington.edu/~ukc/sea/UKCSea.html#searating Cheers, kevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>>>>>> where (link to tripquest or something) tide/current info. (also possibly a link for tide info) type and size (river/lake/coastal, depth, length, etc.) seasonal issues (from insects to weather) camping avail. picture (if possible) rental and portage suppliers parking (avail. and distance)and public transport costs Is this of any use? other parameters? would anybody contribute once this is established? thanks, gabriel <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Availability of fresh water. Length O' Triip. Hope this helps... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dan McCarty wrote: > > >>>>>> > > where (link to tripquest or something) > tide/current info. (also possibly a link for tide info) > type and size (river/lake/coastal, depth, length, etc.) > seasonal issues (from insects to weather) > camping avail. > picture (if possible) > rental and portage > suppliers > parking (avail. and distance)and public transport > costs > > Is this of any use? other parameters? would anybody contribute once > this is established? thanks, gabriel > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > Availability of fresh water. > Length O' Triip. > > Hope this helps... > Dan McCarty > > Availibility of fresh water and other facilities for us 'obsessivly modest' are things we didn't think of, excellent! we thought the length could be derived from the navigatable size. well done Dan, thanks. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:07:16 Joy E. Hecht wrote: >I have an Arctic Hawk and had a lot of problems with weathercocking. I >found that the best thing to offset it was to lean back, not forwards. >My usual paddling style has a lot of forward lean. But in a beam wind if >I lean back, while it makes for less efficient paddling, the boat tracks >much better - so overall it's an advantage. But perhaps it's different >in other boats. I talked to her about the weathercocking last night again. This last time out we deliberately loaded the stern of her boat while leaving the bow light. She said that this made a positive difference (I think we may have inadvertently been putting too many water bottles into her bow since it has that convenient hatch that is easy to open on the water by another kayaker). This would be similar to leaning back, basically shifting weight to the back of the boat. I probably need to find some Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM) for her stern. Since a lot of the hills in north east Kansas were formed by glaciers during the last ice age some of the rocks around here are probably original CBR's. Would there be a problem using the original CBR's or have there been significant improvements in the last 10,000+ years? :) Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Mel wrote; > >I talked to her about the weathercocking last night again. This last time out we deliberately loaded the stern of her boat while leaving the bow light. She said that this made a positive difference (I think we may have inadvertently been putting too many water bottles into her bow since it has that convenient hatch that is easy to open on the water by another kayaker). This would be similar to leaning back, basically shifting weight to the back of the boat. > >I probably need to find some Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM) for her stern. Since a lot of the hills in north east Kansas were formed by glaciers during the last ice age some of the rocks around here are probably original CBR's. Would there be a problem using the original CBR's or have there been significant improvements in the last 10,000+ years? :) Trimming down at the stern shifts the Longitudinal center of area aft. A better method than adding weight would be to attach a small fixed skeg aft. I have found that something a foot long and tapering to about 2" deep works wonders. Such a skeg doesn't add a lot of resistance and can serve to protect the bottom from abrasion. If you mount the skeg just aft of amidships (about 10% of the waterline length) it can reduce weathercocking without hindering maneuverability much. I do not recommend using Genuine Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM) for trimming the boat. They should only be used as directed in our very complete users manual. > Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The rule I follow for loading a kayak is 60% behind the paddler and 40% in front. I always put the water right behind the cockpit. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Uh oh, I've gotta watch what I say now. My wife started subscribing to the list today. She had already forwarded this message to me (at my work email) asking how to do what John suggests before I had logged on and read it myself. On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:36:54 John Winters wrote: > >Trimming down at the stern shifts the Longitudinal center of area aft. A >better method than adding weight would be to attach a small fixed skeg aft. >I have found that something a foot long and tapering to about 2" deep works >wonders. Such a skeg doesn't add a lot of resistance and can serve to >protect the bottom from abrasion. If you mount the skeg just aft of >amidships (about 10% of the waterline length) it can reduce weathercocking >without hindering maneuverability much. OK, what type of material do I use and how do I affix it? > >I do not recommend using Genuine Canadian Ballast Rocks (TM) for trimming >the boat. They should only be used as directed in our very complete users >manual. > There's a users manual for CBR's?!? Dang, that's what I've been doing wrong. It's the ol' RTFM again. :) Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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