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From: richard <richard_at_saber.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Landing victim in surf
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:47:48 -0800
A friend of mine told me of a trip he took to Australia some years ago. While he
was there he went kayaking with a group and a guide. When it came time to 
land through the surf the guide went in first, left his kayak on the beach, swam 
back out and brought each of the other kayaks in through the surf one at a time 
by holding on to the stern of their kayaks. 

Richard M.

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From: Jim Croft <jrc_at_anbg.gov.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Landing victim in surf
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:39:14 +1000 (EST)
> A friend of mine told me of a trip he took to Australia some years ago. =
> While he
> was there he went kayaking with a group and a guide. When it came time =
> to=20
> land through the surf the guide went in first, left his kayak on the =
> beach, swam=20
> back out and brought each of the other kayaks in through the surf one at =
> a time=20
> by holding on to the stern of their kayaks.=20

very unAustralian...  generally the attitude is not to worry if they
fall out, because all the important bits will wash ashore eventually...

jim
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From: Wayne Langmaid <langer_at_terrigal.net.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Use of fins - Landing victim in surf
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:51:08 +1100
Richard -

I just spent the last three weeks as one of the instructors on a sea
kayak program for the Australian Army's Adventurous Training Program.

The fins used to swim the boats in are used commonly here in Australia
as "boogie board fins".  These fins are much shorter than the average
"scuba fins".  It makes them easy to stow and put on in the water.

In the civilian application they are used for acceleration purposes to
get your board onto the waves.  I use them for hunting abalone (yum)
during kayak trips.

Remember that the army uses them in an operational context.  In other
words you are deployed to land on a specific beach (usually from a sub)
and it does not matter what the surf is like, you need to make that
beach with you, your gear, your klepper and your mates intact (well, as
much as possible) in order to complete the missions objective.

In the civilian context, John Winters is most definitely correct - why
are you there in the first place needing the fins??  It may indicate
poor judgement or planning and maybe a time to choose a different beach
to land on.  Everyone should have a few good bail out beaches anyways.

The guide doing the landings obviously has a system which works for him
and his operation.  I personally would not recommend doing this without
a lot of practice and believe me the practice has it's down

If you chose to land, well I'm sure that Jim Croft who has first hand
experience at landing many different parts of his dismembered boat on
the rocks at the same time can tell all of us a good procedure for
collecting all your scattered equipment and first aid process for
tending numerous abraisions on your backside!!!    :))      (nice to see
you back contributing to the list Jim).

All the best -

Wayne Langmaid
Central Coast Kayak Tours - only a step away from Sydney, Australia
http://www.kayaktours.com

richard wrote:

>  A friend of mine told me of a trip he took to Australia some years
> ago. While hewas there he went kayaking with a group and a guide. When
> it came time toland through the surf the guide went in first, left his
> kayak on the beach, swamback out and brought each of the other kayaks
> in through the surf one at a timeby holding on to the stern of their
> kayaks. Richard M.



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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Landing victim in surf
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:47:27 -0800
richard wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine told me of a trip he took to Australia some years
> ago. While he
> was there he went kayaking with a group and a guide. When it came time
> to
> land through the surf the guide went in first, left his kayak on the
> beach, swam
> back out and brought each of the other kayaks in through the surf one
> at a time
> by holding on to the stern of their kayaks.
> 
> Richard M.


This seems to be an Aussie thing as what I mentioned last week about the
military using it there for getting in their heavily laden double
folding kayaks.  It is so much their thing, that the rudder has a padded
cutout for the swimmer to hold on to while acting as a sea anchor when
helping the boat in.

ralph diaz

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