The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 pack so I hope someone can help me. If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. I had been thinking about fashioning some sort of cloth buckets I could fill with sand and bury. Then I saw in Kabloona that Victoria Jason had attached some sort of skirt around her tent that, I guess, she covered with sand to keep it tied down and to prevent wind from getting underneath the tent. Any thoughts? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the > preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > > Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. Personally, I use a bivy sack instead of a big tent. But with a tent, you could use any long metal rod, probably would need to be at least 24" long, and personally, I'd just as soon carry a set of 36" long rods, probably aluminum or brass. Buy at a hardware store, hammer a hook into one end, and be sure to bring a mallet for setting the stake. Also, any weight inside the tent around the edges will help considerably. Richard Walker Houston, TX http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
R. Walker wrote: > > > If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the > > preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > > > > Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. > > Personally, I use a bivy sack instead of a big tent. But with a tent, > you could use any long metal rod, probably would need to be at > least 24" long, and personally, I'd just as soon carry a set of 36" > long rods, probably aluminum or brass. Buy at a hardware store, > hammer a hook into one end, and be sure to bring a mallet for > setting the stake. Richard's idea is a cheap and practical one. If you have any metalworking skills, you might take a look at a "snow fluke," a device climbers use to anchor in soft snow, and fabricate half a dozen replicas with centrally-located holes to anchor tie-off ropes to. Note the fluke must maintain the correct "attitude" in the sand, or pulling on it will extract it from the sand. The commercial versions I have seen (and owned, long ago) had a cable lashup which kept the correct angle. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:17 AM 12/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 >pack so I hope someone can help me. > >If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the >preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > >Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. > >I had been thinking about fashioning some sort of cloth buckets I could fill >with sand and bury. Then I saw in Kabloona that Victoria Jason had attached >some sort of skirt around her tent that, I guess, she covered with sand to >keep it tied down and to prevent wind from getting underneath the tent. > >Any thoughts? Clyde, instead of cloth buckets you could use the empties after you finish your six-pack. :~) JS *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
IF there is ample driftwood where you are at, you can use that as an anchor. Attach about 6 - 8' lines on your tent's tie out locations. Find pieces of driftwood at least 2 inches in diameter and 2 feet long. Tie the lines around the driftwood and bury them. Do at least two on the upwind side and one on the downwind side. If your tent doesn't have locations to attach tie-outs, it is probably not suitable for camping in high winds. For true leave-no-trace, dig up the driftwood when you break camp and remove your lines. This approach is good for up to about 20 mile per hour winds. Don't know if they work in higher winds, because if the forecast is for that high, I stay home. In sandy location there is a trade off on campsites. Being in a sheltered location on the lee of the island gives you some protection from the wind, but unless there is substantial vegetation, at the expense of sand in everything. Being on the windward side means less blowing sand, but the full effect of the wind. Mounding sand onto the bottom of your tent helps, but usually isn't necessary. At 09:17 AM 12/28/98 -0500, Sisler, Clyde wrote: >The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 >pack so I hope someone can help me. > >If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the >preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > >Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. > >I had been thinking about fashioning some sort of cloth buckets I could fill >with sand and bury. Then I saw in Kabloona that Victoria Jason had attached >some sort of skirt around her tent that, I guess, she covered with sand to >keep it tied down and to prevent wind from getting underneath the tent. > >Any thoughts? >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > ,,, (o o) ==================oOO--(_)--OOo========================== Bob Washburn whiterabbit_at_iw.edwpub.com or rwashbu_at_siue.edu The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. ========================================================= *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:17 AM 12/28/98 -0500, Clyde wrote: > >If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the >preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > >Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. The Sand Hogs are excellent but heavy. I carry 6 of them for securing my tent or lean-to/sunscreen on sandy beaches. A few months back they were well tested when I landed on a sandy beach, chased in by gale force winds. I staked my tent in dry sand and slept through the noise of 50 knt gusts only to be awakened by the silence of the wind dying early the next morning. It was well worth the extra weight. > >I had been thinking about fashioning some sort of cloth buckets I could fill >with sand and bury. Then I saw in Kabloona that Victoria Jason had attached >some sort of skirt around her tent that, I guess, she covered with sand to >keep it tied down and to prevent wind from getting underneath the tent. Before the Sand Hogs, I would often use plastic handled shopping bags like those used in grocery stores. They are easy to carry, have amazing tensile strength and are great for hauling out the trash or dirty laundry. A half dozen of these fit in the palm of your hand. I often wonder how the world got by without them. Bob Tellefson Santa Barbara Kayak Assocation http://www.sbka.org 805-683-9717 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Sisler, Clyde wrote: > The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 > pack so I hope someone can help me. > > If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the > preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > ____________________________________________________________ > Purchase 'Snow Pegs', I have found them successful in sand and in very > high winds. However, damming the foundation floor of your tent is still > a wise idea: > a.) for the sake of keeping wind from lifting under the floor > b.) for water run off from the perimeter area of one's tent. > > One should still be wise in their selected choice of a camping area. > Constructing a modest windbreak from drift wood is a nice thing to do > especially if you are trying to cook in high winds. > > Snow pegs are made of 1/8" aluminum tapered and perforated with lightening > holes > and bent longitudinally in a half circle for added strength and grip in the > sand or snow. They are great for hiking because of the reduced weight and > should be available at Mountain Equipment Co- Op or Totem Outfitters. > There is a great stocking stuffer you missed this Xmas. > If you are interested in valuable camping & survival tips I encourage allto check out the following URL which contains Dr. Andre-Francios Bourbeau Primitive Skills-Group. The archieves are worth exploring. http://pages.infinit.net/_at__at_z7ia5RcAC0QQcivZ/afb/priskar1.htm Best Regards & Happy New Year, Philip Wylie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
More than once I've tied my tent to my kayak on windy sandy beaches. Barbara At 09:17 AM 12/28/98 -0500, Sisler, Clyde wrote: >The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 >pack so I hope someone can help me. > >If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the >preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > >Campmor offers tent stakes called 'Sand Hogs', a 12" heavy steel stake. > >I had been thinking about fashioning some sort of cloth buckets I could fill >with sand and bury. Then I saw in Kabloona that Victoria Jason had attached >some sort of skirt around her tent that, I guess, she covered with sand to >keep it tied down and to prevent wind from getting underneath the tent. > >Any thoughts? >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * --*--*--*-- Sea Kayak Italia - Elba, Italy http://www.seakayakitaly.com tel. 650-728-8720 fax 650-728-8753 * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- * -- *--* --*-- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
A simple, light and easy to store solution are frisbees with small holes in the center, fender washers and some extra line- these may be buried and provid a reasonable anchor. Of course have an extra one, preferably a glow in the dark for evening play. You can also bury ballast rocks... Sisler, Clyde wrote: > > The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 > pack so I hope someone can help me. > > If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the > preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? > -- gabriel l romeu http://members.aol.com/romeug studio furniture http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Remember to tie up your kayak. How many stories have we heard of people waking up and finding their kayak gone? As Sinbad would say, "Trust in Allah, but tie your kayak." (sic) If you are going to the ends of the Earth, you might also want to take a pair of earplugs. After a day or two of listening to a screaming wind a break can be very nice. :-)) michael romeug_at_erols.com wrote: > > A simple, light and easy to store solution are frisbees with small holes > in the center, fender washers and some extra line- these may be buried > and provid a reasonable anchor. Of course have an extra one, preferably > a glow in the dark for evening play. > You can also bury ballast rocks... > > Sisler, Clyde wrote: > > > > The only beach camping I've ever done is under a beach umbrella with a 6 > > pack so I hope someone can help me. > > > > If you've got nothing but sand and nothing to tie your tent to, what's the > > preferred way of securing your tent against high winds? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Neverdosky wrote: > Remember to tie up your kayak. > How many stories have we heard of people waking up and finding > their kayak gone? > > As Sinbad would say, "Trust in Allah, but tie your kayak." (sic) Moreover, be sure not to camp to close to the shoreline where possible. How many tents have I seen washed away because they had to be abandoned in an emergency. One, plus three near floodings or washaways from having camped too close without consideration of the tide line and moon phase. I saw one tent washed up into a surge channel still intact with all the poles and remnants inside..which tent discovery was over a year old. Somebody goofed. Howling winds off the pacific on Vancouver Island is reason enough for the vast ship graveyard that lays off her shores. I like Sinbad for his saying but to camp too close to the shore line is to sin bad. Cheers, Philip *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 12/28/98 10:03:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, bkossy_at_igc.apc.org writes: << More than once I've tied my tent to my kayak on windy sandy beaches. Barbara >> This does not work well if kayak is empty. Sorry if I am stating the obvious. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 12/28/1998 8:05:43 PM EST, MichaelN_at_cycat.com writes: << Remember to tie up your kayak. How many stories have we heard of people waking up and finding their kayak gone? As Sinbad would say, "Trust in Allah, but tie your kayak." (sic) If you are going to the ends of the Earth, you might also want to take a pair of earplugs. After a day or two of listening to a screaming wind a break can be very nice. :-)) michael >> Tying up one's boat is so fundamental that we sometimes take it that all know this. A grounded boat is NOT tied! This reminds me of a duck hunting trip one day. When my two hunting buddies and I returned to where our 16 foot flat bottomed boat was pulled up on the salt grass AND anchored, another hunter was there waiting. As we approached, he asked if I could take him to get his boat. Thinking he had walked quite a ways from it hunting (salt marsh grass makes easy walking with teh lay, but tough against it) I said sure, where is it? He pointed across the lake about a mile across and said over there I think the wind blew it away. I inwardly laughed to myself and agreed to take him while my partners waited. There was not enough room for all four of us in teh boat. As I got ready to relaunch my boat, I went to retreive the anchor about 30 feet into teh grass. He asked me "what is that for?" I told him "to keep MY boat from floating away!" Duhhhhhhhh! Some people never learn. Always TIE your boat. If you ever canoe or raft teh lower canyons of the Rio Grande between Texas adn Mexico, at night tie your boats with at least 60 feet of rope adn tie it to a rock UP the canyon wall. A thunderstorm hundreds of miles away can dmp enough water to run down the side canyons from a hundred miles away. You will never know it, but during the night you will awaken with just enough time to grab sleeping bag and haul ass up the rocks of the canyon wall to save your own sleepy but now wide awake butt. Never mind enough time to retrieve canoes up there also. They will survive at the end of their tether. Tie your boat and tie it well. Good is not enough. John LeBlanc *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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