Is it possible to mount a rudder on a kayak and lock it so it cannot turn. i.e. use it more like a skeg that you can flip up to the rear deck? Would it function well for holding a kayak straight in quartering or following seas? This is more a curious educational question than something I want to try. Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 1/14/99 7:09:52 PM Central Standard Time, woodardr_at_tidalwave.net writes: > Is it possible to mount a rudder on a kayak and lock it so it cannot turn. > i.e. use it more like a skeg that you can flip up to the rear deck? Would it > function well for holding a kayak straight in quartering or following seas? > > This is more a curious educational question than something I want to try. > > Woody > Dagger made a flip up skeg for the Vesper, I don't know if it's still available. It fit on the back where you would mount a rudder, and flipped up just like a rudder, but it didn't turn. Rob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
RTull303_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/14/99 7:09:52 PM Central Standard Time, > woodardr_at_tidalwave.net writes: > > > Is it possible to mount a rudder on a kayak and lock it so it cannot turn. > > i.e. use it more like a skeg that you can flip up to the rear deck? Would > it > > function well for holding a kayak straight in quartering or following seas? > > > > This is more a curious educational question than something I want to try. > > > > Woody > > > Dagger made a flip up skeg for the Vesper, I don't know if it's still > available. > It fit on the back where you would mount a rudder, and flipped up just like a > rudder, but it didn't turn. > Rob Feathercraft's Short Touring kayak, which is basically a whitewater boat that will not track at all, at one point came with a skeg that partially flipped up. It looked for all the world like a rudder but not steerable. It certainly straightened that boat out. I don't know, however, if the concept of something hanging back there like that would work for all boats. John Winters would know. He knows everything. :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The advantage a under-hull mounted skeg has over a rudder is it is more likely to stay in the water in waves. The advantage a stern-hung "skeg" has over an under-hull, is since it is mounted farther back, it does not need to be as big to have the same effect. In other words a stern mounted flip-up skeg will be more effective than an under-hull mounted retractable skeg while it is in the water, but is more likely to come out of the water. A flip-up stern-mounted skeg would also be easier to construct than a retractable skeg mounted in a box under the hull. Nick At 7:28 PM -0500 1/14/99, Robert Woodard wrote: >Is it possible to mount a rudder on a kayak and lock it so it cannot turn. >i.e. use it more like a skeg that you can flip up to the rear deck? Would it >function well for holding a kayak straight in quartering or following seas? > >This is more a curious educational question than something I want to try. > >Woody > > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 10 Ash Swamp Rd Glastonbury, CT 06033 (860) 659-8847 Schade_at_guillemot-kayaks.com http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/ >>>>"It's not just Art, It's a Craft!"<<<< *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Nick Schade wrote: > > The advantage a under-hull mounted skeg has over a rudder is it is more > likely to stay in the water in waves. The advantage a stern-hung "skeg" has > over an under-hull, is since it is mounted farther back, it does not need > to be as big to have the same effect. In other words a stern mounted > flip-up skeg will be more effective than an under-hull mounted retractable > skeg while it is in the water, but is more likely to come out of the water. > > A flip-up stern-mounted skeg would also be easier to construct than a > retractable skeg mounted in a box under the hull. The problem is that the skeg mounts back on the end of the boat quite precariously. On the Vesper, especially, they expect it to be mounted with pop rivits, which pull out when there is even a slight amount of stress. I wound up having to build a backing plate, tap it, and screw bolts into it. Then, with it on, you have to be very careful about touching something with the back of the boat. No pool sessions, for example; might damage the skeg. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wes Boyd 0 wesboyd_at_dmci.net \__Q http://www2.dmci.net/users/wesboyd/default.htm \_| http://www2.dmci.net/users/wesboyd/kayak.htm \----------\^----------/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^0^^^^^^^^^^^^ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
A few years ago I had an aquaterra simitar and made a aluminum flip-up stern mounted skeg for the boat. I used it for a year and found it effective both in tracking and weathercocking. As Nick stated, the surface area was much smaller than a conventional skeg and it did tend to come out of the water especially when surfing. I traded the boat in and to my knowledge the next owner continued using it. frank >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph wrote; > >Feathercraft's Short Touring kayak, which is basically a whitewater boat >that will not track at all, at one point came with a skeg that partially >flipped up. It looked for all the world like a rudder but not >steerable. It certainly straightened that boat out. I don't know, >however, if the concept of something hanging back there like that would >work for all boats. John Winters would know. He knows everything. :-) Does not. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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