>> 2. **Camping, etc.** Again, we are immediately looking at some epitome of long distance sea faring. How many of you have really camped out of your sea kayak. I bet less than half. The other half don't need all that volume to put things into...they are day paddlers. If you really want to camp, use a canoe. No sea kayak is as efficient at camping as a canoe. It will swallow up large Coleman coolers, habachis, small kitchen sinks. >> Interesting comment by Ralph Diaz. I use a canoe in the Boundary Waters because it is easier to portage, not because it holds more gear than my sea kayak (more accurately, my wife's and my two medium-volume sea kayaks). I don't use it on Lake Superior, because I believe a sea kayak is safer in rough water than a canoe. Also, I've wilderness-camped out of a medium volume kayak for over a week at a time. Others, I know, have camped for longer. I'm curious, though, about Ralph's assertion. How many of you have NOT camped out of your kayak? Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have not, although it is a goal for this year. Milo Poughkeepsie, NY -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com> > I'm curious, >though, about Ralph's assertion. How many of you have NOT camped out >of your kayak? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have yet to camp out of a kayak, but I am eager to. Of course first I have to have a kayak to camp out of! Although I have been kayaking since spring of 95 and have taken several one or two day courses and done a total of about fifteen-twenty day-trips (not counting kayaking on Hinckley Lake) I have yet to have a real kayak of my own. I've even been up at the Great Lakes Sea Kayaking Symposium and loved it, but as always did it by renting a boat. (I don't count a milk-carton Krazy Kraft race Kayak as a real boat) I've been slowly collecting gear such as sleeping bags, tents, camp stove, water carrier, first aid kits, etc. One way or another I will eventually have a kayak of my own. Worst case I will build one myself. I'll be 41 years old this April. I've recently become serious about my physical fitness and am taking various step aerobic classes and did over 1000 miles bicycling last year. Apart from the joy of being able to go where you will in two dimensions on the waters surface and the thrill of being so close to nature, my interest in kayaking is in the aerobic upper body workout that it can provide. Although I love sailing too, you are somewhat at the mercy of the wind and there is not much physical fitness benefit from sailing unless you happen to be sailing poorly! On Friday March 19, World-Champion Paddler Verlen Kruger will be speaking at the Happy Days Visitor Center of the Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area. http://www.nps.gov/cuva/lyc99.htm I will do my best to be there. If anyone has some questions they would like to ask him, please let me know. I will select some questions that I will ask when I get the chance. I've read that Verlen Kruger lives in Lansing Michigan and that he makes his own boats. http://isd.ingham.k12.mi.us/~instech/explore.html Apparently some of Verlen's adventures are chronicled in "One Incredible Journey" by Clayton Klein, Verlen Kruger. Wilderness Adventure Books; ISBN: 0961159650 and I believe there was an article/interview about Verlen in last Februaries Paddler Magazine. I'd love to read that article. I'll check to see if my local library subscribes to Paddler magazine. I've already checked and there is no copy of "One Incredible Journey" in the Cuyahoga County Public Library system. Amazon has a listing for the book, but it seems it has to be special ordered and may be out of print. I'll try to get a copy but it is unclear if I could get it before the Lcyeum talk. neal_at_bellhow.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:36:59 Chuck Holst wrote: > >Interesting comment by Ralph Diaz. I use a canoe in the Boundary Waters >because it is easier to portage, not because it holds more gear than my >sea kayak Exactly the reason my wife and I are taking an ACA canoe class in two weeks and will probably buy a canoe in a month or so. For portageing in the BWCA. >How many of you have NOT camped out of your kayak? My wife and I have not because we have not had a chance to yet. We just started paddling last summer. But we fully plan to camp out of the kayaks this year or next. Our tentative plans for the year include one canoe trip to the BWCA and one kayak trip. The kayak trip will either be a series of day paddles from Seabrook Island/Charleston area. If not that then we're leaning towards going to Ross lake for a week long trip. Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I've camped out of my Klepper, but not my Current Designs GT. Andy At 09:36 AM 2/24/99 -0600, Chuck Holst wrote: > >>> >2. **Camping, etc.** Again, we are immediately looking at some epitome >of long distance sea faring. How many of you have really camped out of >your sea kayak. I bet less than half. The other half don't need all >that volume to put things into...they are day paddlers. If you really >want to camp, use a canoe. No sea kayak is as efficient at camping as a >canoe. It will swallow up large Coleman coolers, habachis, small >kitchen sinks. >>> > >Interesting comment by Ralph Diaz. I use a canoe in the Boundary Waters >because it is easier to portage, not because it holds more gear than my >sea kayak (more accurately, my wife's and my two medium-volume sea >kayaks). I don't use it on Lake Superior, because I believe a sea kayak >is safer in rough water than a canoe. > >Also, I've wilderness-camped out of a medium volume kayak for over a >week at a time. Others, I know, have camped for longer. I'm curious, >though, about Ralph's assertion. How many of you have NOT camped out >of your kayak? > >Chuck Holst >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > C. Anderson Johnson, Ph.D. Professor of Preventive Medicine and Director Institute for Health Promotion and Disease Prevention Research University of Southern California 1540 Alcazar Street Los Angeles, CA 90033 Phone 323-442-2622 Fax 323-442-2601 IPR Web Site: http://www.usc.edu/go/ipr/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> How many of you have NOT camped out > of your kayak? I have not done this as of yet.. Doesn't mean I won't, its just something that will come after I have completed my list of technicaly day "tricks". I do already have a few kayak camping destinations cooking in my mind. Mostly river stuff though.... Richard Walker Houston, TX http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph Diaz wrote: > 2. **Camping, etc.** Again, we are immediately looking at some epitome > of long distance sea faring. How many of you have really camped out of > your sea kayak. I bet less than half. The other half don't need all > that volume to put things into...they are day paddlers. If you really > want to camp, use a canoe. No sea kayak is as efficient at camping as a > canoe. It will swallow up large Coleman coolers, habachis, small > kitchen sinks. Well, I'll take Ralph's bait -- even though I can tell he is trolling! <g> I spent almost six weeks (two week-long excursions and two 2-week-long trips) last year camping out of my sea kayak. I had fresh food almost every day on those trips -- cabbage, apples, carrots, onions, and spuds keep for a long time in our climate out here, even in summer. I cooked over campfires on one of the trips (not my choice -- the others were committed to that), lounged in my Crazy Creek chair on sunny banks, fished for rockfish and ling cod, and generally had a wonderfully laid-back time. For the record, the two two-week-long trips were in the Charlottes, and the others were in Oregon, one on Owyhee Lake, near the Idaho border. Like others who regularly camp out of a sea kayak, I have a couple decades of prior experience backpacking, so the luxury of having an enormous hole (read: sea kayak) that can accept really heavy stuff and carry it from place to place makes camping out of a sea kayak seem like the height of luxury! I suspect Ralph's "style" of camping is a relic from campervan days, or the old canvas wall tent. The "style" of camping a sea kayak can handle is, like someone else said, more like what can be done from a minivan loaded with four kids and a dog! It is the coolest kind of fun I have. I should add, as was mentioned by someone from one of the Portland, OR, outfitters who also uses the same beaches I use, that the Pacific Northwest has a plethora of cool places to kayak-camp. I suspect Ralph has been "walking the dog" in Central Park too much, and the roller bladers and power-walkers have warped his perspective! More seriously, I see maybe half to two-thirds of the sea kayakers around here as regular campers, and the rest as not. Different strokes. Ralph is probably correct, if we took as our sample the folks on the list. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> snip > > Like others who regularly camp out of a sea kayak, I have a couple decades > of prior experience backpacking, so the luxury of having an enormous hole > (read: sea kayak) that can accept really heavy stuff and carry it from > place to place makes camping out of a sea kayak seem like the height of > luxury! I camp out of my sea kayak fairly frequently. I find I have plenty of room for lots of little luxuries and usually have room to spare. Now there sometimes are people standing around watching me load and unload in awe... My dog Happy and I do quite nicely. I even have a little soft cooler I carry along that works quite well if I keep it out of the sun and wet. I carry Happy's grooming supplies too! Oh yes, and a bottle of sherry for after dinner... :-) Compared to a bicycle, a kayak seems like a luxury liner.. Alice *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dave wrote: >Like others who regularly camp out of a sea kayak, I have a couple decades >of prior experience backpacking, so the luxury of having an enormous hole >(read: sea kayak) that can accept really heavy stuff and carry it from >place to place makes camping out of a sea kayak seem like the height of >luxury! > >It is the coolest kind of fun I have. > >-- >Dave Kruger >Astoria, OR > > My longest kayak camping trip was for 10 days, and that was with a companion who was paddling a Wind Dancer, the much appreciated "cargo barge". He carried a lot of the stuff. But I can get a surprising amount into my skinny Arluk, and I never need all the stuff I want to take, anyway. Diane *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Don't have a kayak as yet but this is the main purpose I'm getting one. I've done a fair amount of motorcycle touring/camping over the years and I expect to be able to carry plenty of stuff to make me quite comfortable. I plan to tour on the midwest rivers and I'm looking forward to the more remote campsites and quiet. Jeff Pritts - Decatur, Il tito_at_midwest.net COG #2190 HSTA #7752 Black 92 Concours "SR-71" (for sale) Kayaker Wannabe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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