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From: Fred Steinberg <fred_at_alaska.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:10:39 -0900 (AKST)
    Ralph> For those who are unaware, the pollution levels of the water
    Ralph> here has dropped so drastically that many forms of marine life,
    Ralph> once unable to survive here because of the condition of the
    Ralph> water, have returned.

This reminds me of a photo I saw somewhere a year or two ago, with the
caption "The Last Sturgeon Fisherman on the Hudson". The photo was of an
older gentlemen, in a small dory with an *huge* fish draped across the
boat.

Are there actually sturgeon in there? Another monster of the deep to watch
out for when trolling from your kayak...
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:09:19 -0500
....

|For those who are unaware, the pollution levels of the water here has
|dropped so drastically that many forms of marine life, once unable to
|survive here because of the condition of the water, have returned.
|Included are crustaceans and mollusks that are eating away at the piers.
...

|I think the New York Times has shyed away from the murder of these
|innocents for political purposes and so I'm planning a campaign to Save
|The Baby Shipworm.  Now that those dastardly Canadians no longer are
|killing baby seals, I think this is a good cause for us to take up.  My
|movement plans to print up T-shirts with pictures of baby shipworms.
|They are not as appealing-looking as baby seals...no lovely eyelashes
|and sweet faces.  In fact, they are downright ugly.  But who is to say
|that we should only save what we find cute or romantic such as baby
|seals and whales. They are babies suffering an insufferable death.  As
|part of the protest, I am organizing a group of kayakers to tie
|ourselves around the piers to prevent any further wrapping with
|plastics.  Those who have shown disdain for folding kayaks and SOTs will
|get less choice spots below the high water line.  :-)


Ralph, count me in!  I'm a SINKer myself but I think the SOTs add diversity
to the kayak community instead of diluting our BrotherHood, rrrr,
YakerHood.
I'm ready to be tied to a pier and wrapped in practice to stand up to the
murder
of Baby Shipworms!

Hmmmm, one concern I have though.....  After we have been wrapped/warped to
the
pier. How are we going to use our bottles and "fillers"?  Are we entirely
wrapped/warped? Everything?  Are things going to be hanging out?  How else
will
we fill?  I'm starting to be concerned that the marine life that is
returning to the
waters might think that anything dangling in the water would be worm like
food.
Will we have fillers left after this PierProtest?

Thank you for bringing this to our attention!
Dan

Actually, the fact that marine life is returning is a good thing to know.




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From: kayakbound <kayakbound_at_worldnet.att.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 12:34:01 -0600
For a minute there, Ralph, I thought you'd suffered a severe blow to the
head from one of them dad-blasted foldin'-boat things you're so fond of!!!
<<g>>

Jim Tynan
Pike Road AL

BTW -- Glad to hear the pollution level has dropped.  A true success story
in this day and age!!!

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From: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net>;
nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org <nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 9:35 AM
Subject: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront


>I think the New York Times has shyed away from the murder of these
>innocents for political purposes and so I'm planning a campaign to Save
>The Baby Shipworm.  Now that those dastardly Canadians no longer are
>killing baby seals, I think this is a good cause for us to take up.  My
>movement plans to print up T-shirts with pictures of baby shipworms.
>They are not as appealing-looking as baby seals...no lovely eyelashes
>and sweet faces.  In fact, they are downright ugly.  But who is to say
>that we should only save what we find cute or romantic such as baby
>seals and whales. They are babies suffering an insufferable death.  >ralph
diaz
>
>ralph diaz


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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 10:26:20 -0500
I suggest a traditional Makah Indian ship-worm hunt using 50 caliber machine
guns.

The same issues you mention have destroyed many of the supports for the
older drawbridges that cross the Intracoastal Waterway here is South
Florida. My local bridge over the intracoastal was condemned and is in the
process of being rebuilt in concrete. The pillars get munched both from the
sides, insides AND bottom which is the worst aspect because it's the least
apparent.

Cya

Bob Denton
Delray Beach, FL

-----Original Message-----
From:	rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com [mailto:rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com]
Sent:	Friday, February 26, 1999 1:11 PM
To:	paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org
Subject:	new york waterfront

There is an interesting interview with Adam Brown in the Metro section
of today's (Friday, 2/26) New York Times.

Adam is a commercial diver who has been seeing the underside of our
boats for years as he assesses and works on the underpinning of New
York's piers.

For those who are unaware, the pollution levels of the water here has
dropped so drastically that many forms of marine life, once unable to
survive here because of the condition of the water, have returned. 
Included are crustaceans and mollusks that are eating away at the piers.

I took an eye-opening and highly informative trip with Adam last year
for a few hours looking at the condition of the piers.  The article
covers some of what he has observed and he gives in a clear form what
exactly is happening.  The crustacean, known as a gribble, eats away at
the outside of the piers giving them the look of having been attacked by
beavers, i.e. an hour glass silohuette.  The other is a mollusk know as
a shipworm, a marine borer.  It bores holes into the pier leaving its
offspring to eat away at the core of the wood inside.

Adam's interview doesn't get into the solution for killing off the
shipworm borer.  The pier is wrapped in plastic and that effectively
cuts off the oxygen supply for the baby shipworms and they suffocate to
death.

I think the New York Times has shyed away from the murder of these
innocents for political purposes and so I'm planning a campaign to Save
The Baby Shipworm.  Now that those dastardly Canadians no longer are
killing baby seals, I think this is a good cause for us to take up.  My
movement plans to print up T-shirts with pictures of baby shipworms. 
They are not as appealing-looking as baby seals...no lovely eyelashes
and sweet faces.  In fact, they are downright ugly.  But who is to say
that we should only save what we find cute or romantic such as baby
seals and whales. They are babies suffering an insufferable death.  As
part of the protest, I am organizing a group of kayakers to tie
ourselves around the piers to prevent any further wrapping with
plastics.  Those who have shown disdain for folding kayaks and SOTs will
get less choice spots below the high water line.  :-)

Seriously, it is an interesting development many of us have been
following in New York Harbor.  The waters are so much cleaner.  Just
stay away from the piers.  One might collapse on you!!  And please don't
pass on my feeble attempt at humor regarding saving the baby shipworm. 
Some tree hugger may just take it up as a cause!!

ralph diaz

ralph diaz
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From: Aaron Hunt <abhunt_at_earthlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 1980 18:52:57 -0500
-----Original Message-----
From:	rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com [SMTP:rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com]
Sent:	Friday, February 26, 1999 1:11 PM
To:	paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org
Subject:	[Paddlewise] new york waterfront

There is an interesting interview with Adam Brown in the Metro section
of today's (Friday, 2/26) New York Times.

Adam is a commercial diver who has been seeing the underside of our
boats for years as he assesses and works on the underpinning of New
York's piers.

For those who are unaware, the pollution levels of the water here has
dropped so drastically that many forms of marine life, once unable to
survive here because of the condition of the water, have returned.
Included are crustaceans and mollusks that are eating away at the piers.

Speaking of wild life coming back.  I have a paddling partner down here in VA Beach who grew up in the area, moved away and came back.  When he was growing up here there were no sea birds.  DDT and all that.  Now, every time we go out he stares at the birds.  I don't think this is a recent comeback, however, it is a good sign.  
  I for one had never considered that there would not be sea gulls here.  We have them in Denver after all, of course there are gulls at the ocean.  I vaguely remember DDT being a bad thing, (I'm only 26, barely qualify as a child with all of the geezers on this list,)  Nice to know about New York though.  If that place can make a come back there may be hope for just about anywhere else.

Regards,
  Aaron Hunt

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From: <dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:44:29 -0500
>From:	rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com [SMTP:rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com]
>Sent:	Friday, February 26, 1999 1:11 PM
>To:	paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net; nyckayaker_at_envirolink.org
>Subject:	[Paddlewise] new york waterfront
>
>There is an interesting interview with Adam Brown in the Metro section
>of today's (Friday, 2/26) New York Times.
>
>Adam is a commercial diver who has been seeing the underside of our
>boats for years as he assesses and works on the underpinning of New
>York's piers.
>
>For those who are unaware, the pollution levels of the water here has
>dropped so drastically that many forms of marine life, once unable to
>survive here because of the condition of the water, have returned.
>Included are crustaceans and mollusks that are eating away at the piers.
>


Now if we can just do some thing about the new yorkers manners making a
come back that would really be some thing , he he  Did they ever have any ?
all of them we see in Fla. don't have any.

Dana
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From: Chris Banner <cbanner_at_pacificcoast.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] new york waterfront
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 19:56:40 -0800
Hi,
        This is an anecdotal story about eco-system recovery.
        I was born and raised on the other side of the Atlantic pond and
lived in London. As a kid, I fell into the river Thames, just downstream
from the commercial area. I suffered no harm, was immediately pulled out,
but was then rushed to hospital to have my stomach pumped out, in case I'd
ingested any of the poisonous water!
        When I was back in London a few years ago, I was told that there
were now trout back in the commercial area of the Thames - that hadn't been
the case since the days of Izaak Walton - and the water had certainly lost
the turbidity that I so vividly remembered.
        If they can do it to the Thames, there's great hope for New York!
        Chris Banner
        Victoria. B.C. 

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