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From: Andy Knapp <Andy_Knapp_at_compuserve.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Cosco Selling Kayaks
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:54:27 -0500
I will throw several thoughts on the state of the paddlesports industry
into the debate. I have worked in the outdoor sports industry for 26 years,
mostly for an independent retail oranization. As a former board member of
the Trade Association of PaddleSports and its predecessor organizations
TASK and NAPSA, I know the paddlesports industry pretty well.

What is happening is the same trend that is consuming the rest of the US
and industrial world economies. Just like the electronics industry, the
home improvement industry, the agriculture industry, the team sports
industry, and many others, the outdoor sports industry has been
"discovered" and is going through a period of consolidation as capital
interests see growth and potential profits. 

The paddlesports segment is no different, and with Old Town, Perception,
Dagger, Mad River, Wilderness Systems, and now Necky Kayaks all being owned
by holding companies, the pressure will be on for endless growth and higher
profits. The rotomolding capacities of the above companies, along with
those of Current Designs, and others in Tennessee, Minnesota, New Zealand,
England, Europe and additional locations are cranking up for maximum
production, requiring distribution far beyond the capabilities of the
traditional paddlesports shop. 

The resulting boom will lower the prices- as well as quality- on some
commodities, and draw additional participants into the sport. More
participants can be good, if we build a constituency for the values of the
quiet outdoor sports. How the industry reacts will determine whether the
accident rate goes up significantly and invites government regulation and
taxation.

As in the other consumer industries, the efficient "cookie-cutter" chain
stores will benefit, and the independent outlets will begin to dwindle
away. When was the last time any of you bought a book, a dozen eggs, a
hardware item, or a computer part at a locally-owned business?  (The same
thing is happening with the farm industry; family farmers however make more
noise politically.)

Will this consolidation happen in the kayak industry to the same degree as
in some of the industries controlled by just a few players?  There will
probably be a boom/overproduction/bust cycle just as there was in the
bicycle and ski industries, among others, leaving a wreckage of failed
businesses and cheap unwanted product. But perhaps the core of the paddling
sports will remain too specialized and esoteric for the mass consumer
enonomy to touch. After all, paddling still requires at least a bit of
physical exercise and the necessity to be away from the television set for
several hours at a time. Athletic shoes and rugged outerwear can at least
be worn to and from the shopping mall.

The pyramid-scheme nature of this consumer-driven economy will become
apparent when:
a) The baby-boom generation gets too old to buy all this stuff. The
handwriting is already on the wall for the outdoor industry; statistically,
the next generation coming up is the most sedentary and the most overweight
in human history. Look at the average age of those on this list.
b) The federal government is forced to seriously raise taxes in ten years
or so to bail out social security and pay for all the infrastructure
investment that has been ignored since 1980.
c) The rest of the world decides it wants its fair share of the dwindling
resource base. The US, 4% of the world population, consumes 25% of the
petroleum production, most of which becomes carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere and plastic waste in the landfills within a year.

What can you do? Joe and others have expressed the need to work on a local
level. To preserve the integrity of our sport, we need to speak out for
responsible use as well as access to the water. We need to give back as
much as we take. Everyone wants "free" or "cheap," but sooner or later the
free ride will be over.
1. Support a local club or trail organization. Help spread the message of
safety and the environmental ethics of human-powered sports.
2. When you can, support your local paddlesports shop. Providing them with
business will allow them to stock the specialized equipment the chain
stores will never touch. Many of these stores will match prices within
reason if you ask. (REI, though a chain, has a history of giving back to
the outdoor community.) Before you buy a product, ask what the vendor does
to better the outdoor environment and the paddling community.  Volunteer to
help with their local events and educational efforts. Get some satisfaction
out of being a local guru or activist. 
3. Remember that we will have to battle for the right to do our thing,
whatever it is. The motor interests, the police interests, and the
corporate profiteers all want to have control over the use of our
recreational resources.

Thanks for the soapbox time. Anyone else in the paddlesports industry have
some thoughts?

-Andy Knapp
Minneapolis
snowing lightly
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From: Michael Daly <mikedaly_at_interlog.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Cosco Selling Kayaks
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:55:10 -0500
Andy Knapp wrote:

Good post, Andy

> Will this consolidation happen in the kayak industry to the same degree as
> in some of the industries controlled by just a few players?  There will
> probably be a boom/overproduction/bust cycle just as there was in the
> bicycle and ski industries, among others, leaving a wreckage of failed
> businesses and cheap unwanted product.

[...]

> The pyramid-scheme nature of this consumer-driven economy will become
> apparent when:
> a) The baby-boom generation gets too old to buy all this stuff. The
> handwriting is already on the wall for the outdoor industry; statistically,
> the next generation coming up is the most sedentary and the most overweight
> in human history. Look at the average age of those on this list.

They are also a relatively poorer generation - larger student loans
to pay off, fewer opportunities for jobs and advances etc.  It's
disturbing that they are so lazy (I refrain from using the term
sedentary).

The parallel with the ski industry is interesting.  I was reading an
opinion by a cross country ski writer last night.  He said that the
introduction of freestyle techniques (aka skating) has hurt the
ski industry rather than helped it.  The older generations  (us)
aren't as interested in it and the younger generation would
rather an easier to learn and less physically demanding
winter sport (read snowboarding).

These kinds of things conspire against kayaking as an activity
for the majority of the younger generation.  The entry cost is
quite high as others have noted and there is a reasonable
level of fitness and aerobic capacity required to do much
more than putter around a lake.

Some would point out that building a boat can reduce the
cost considerably, however, this goes against the younger
generation's desire to have it all right away (it takes too
long and is too hard to build).

I don't know the answer - I wish someone did.  I think our
generation is certainly to blame for the problem with our youth.
We collectively failed them if they turned out the way they did.
There are certainly many, many examples of good kids, but
there seem to be too many that do nothing but hang around
smoking and complaining.  We made the environment in
which they live and should do something to change it if
possible.

It isn't just this mail list that is older.  My paddling club is
filled with members of comparable age, as is my ski club.
The youth are left out or have dropped out of all sorts of
these things.  Sigh...

Mike


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From: Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Cosco Selling Kayaks
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:03:47 -0600
>>
It isn't just this mail list that is older.  My paddling club is
filled with members of comparable age, as is my ski club.
The youth are left out or have dropped out of all sorts of
these things.  Sigh...

Mike
>>

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It's the same in the Twin Cities. At various times I have been active
in the Minnesota Science Fiction Society (Minn-Stf), the Minnesota Canoe
Association (MCA), and the North Star Ski Touring Club (NSSTC). All
three organizations started in the mid Sixties, and all three are   graying,
though possibly for different reasons (science fiction fans tend not to
be physically active). Probably the youngest group in the MCA is the
Rapids Riders whitewater club, maybe because the thrill of whitewater is
more appealing to the young, maybe because whitewater boats are cheaper
than sea kayaks.

I sometimes wonder what it was about the Sixties that caused these
disparate groups to all start up about the same time. Maybe today's
generation just isn't as interested in creating or joining organizations.   
Or maybe they don't have time enough.

Chuck Holst


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From: Darian Dunn <dunnd1_at_yahoo.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Cosco Selling Kayaks
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:03:01 -0800 (PST)
At 27 I can say I think my generation of Americans is the most screwed
up ever.

We don't want to lead.  We don't want to follow, and we have a hard
time belonging.  Kayaking is probable growing because we are becoming
a generation of loaners.  We see the world screwed up and not getting
better.  Most of our parents are divorced.  The percentage of people
unmarried people in my generation is greater than it has ever been. 
We saw companies cut employees after many years of loyal service in
the eighties.  We don't trust our own government.  We spend more than
we make.  No one is responsible for his or her own action (financial
or criminal).  We see the legal system as a joke.  People sewing
people stupid things.  Criminal getting a way with murder because the
paper work was not filed properly.  The bill of rights being skewed to
suit the moment. Please read http://jpfo.org/billrights.htm.  I find
10, 1, 2, and 4 interesting in that order.   We think there are just
too many people in the world.  We take more than we give back to
nature (about half of us care).  I don't think my generation could get
together to fight in a war like WW2 or fight against war on like so
many did in the 60s against the War in Vietnam.

There are exceptions.  Remember you are different, just like everyone
else.

I find myself looking for groups of my peers.  Most of my friends have
_at_ in the middle of their names.

The only thing that makes my generation look better is the generation
that is now in collage.

Or maybe I am wrong.  I can except that.

The good new is when I am on the water or in the woods, I don't have
to think about the rest of the world.  Maybe that is why I hike, hunt
and kayak alone





---Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> >>
> It isn't just this mail list that is older.  My paddling club is
> filled with members of comparable age, as is my ski club.
> The youth are left out or have dropped out of all sorts of
> these things.  Sigh...
> 
> Mike
> >>
> 
>
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> 
> It's the same in the Twin Cities. At various times I have been active
> in the Minnesota Science Fiction Society (Minn-Stf), the Minnesota
Canoe
> Association (MCA), and the North Star Ski Touring Club (NSSTC). All
> three organizations started in the mid Sixties, and all three are  
graying,
> though possibly for different reasons (science fiction fans tend not
to
> be physically active). Probably the youngest group in the MCA is the
> Rapids Riders whitewater club, maybe because the thrill of
whitewater is
> more appealing to the young, maybe because whitewater boats are
cheaper
> than sea kayaks.
> 
> I sometimes wonder what it was about the Sixties that caused these
> disparate groups to all start up about the same time. Maybe today's
> generation just isn't as interested in creating or joining
organizations.   
> Or maybe they don't have time enough.
> 
> Chuck Holst
> 
> 
>
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From: <Gratytshrk_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Cosco Selling Kayaks
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 16:29:03 EST
In a message dated 3/5/99 9:23:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CHUCK_at_multitech.com writes:

<< It isn't just this mail list that is older.  My paddling club is
 filled with members of comparable age, as is my ski club.
 The youth are left out or have dropped out of all sorts of
 these things.  Sigh... >>
There are still a few of us around....
Robin Lovelock 
(age 22)
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