Added note for DIY tow rigs: the surplus stores around here have been selling a braided polypro over nylon floating line in 3/16" (4mm?) which seem about right for towing, and the bouyancy is sufficient to float an aluminum 'biner. I'm soon switching to a smaller stainless steel snaphook-not sure if that will float. My girlfriend is prone to sea-sickness, and has had good results with the new, less-drowsiness formula Dramamine (which we couldn't find in Canada). That was in rather light swell, though she gets sick pretty easily. Has anyone had a failure of this stuff in severe tests?? Mike Wagenbach *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Date sent: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "M. Wagenbach" <wagen_at_u.washington.edu> To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Towing, seasick > > My girlfriend is prone to sea-sickness, and has had good results with the > new, less-drowsiness formula Dramamine (which we couldn't find in Canada). > That was in rather light swell, though she gets sick pretty easily. Has > anyone had a failure of this stuff in severe tests?? Not familiar with any improvements in Dramamine, Mike --- even kids' Benadryl knocks me out --- but has she tried those little pressure point straps for the wrists? I'm not prone to sea sickness, but, in continuing chop on workboats during prolonged tests at sea, I have felt pretty punk, and found those straps <did> make a difference. Or I <thought> they did, which is all that counts. An option --- relatively inexpensive and drug-free. Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> > My girlfriend is prone to sea-sickness, and has had good results with the > > new, less-drowsiness formula Dramamine (which we couldn't find in Canada). > > That was in rather light swell, though she gets sick pretty easily. Has > > anyone had a failure of this stuff in severe tests?? > > Not familiar with any improvements in Dramamine, Mike --- even > kids' Benadryl knocks me out --- but has she tried those little > pressure point straps for the wrists? I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. My supposition was that a lot of seasickness happens on a larger boat where your head is a good 12 feet above the surface of the water and the rocking of the boat swings you in a greater arc and therefore might induce sea sickness. I have been sick on the water, most recently last year, but not from seasickness as such. I had not been feeling well anyway that morning but I was scheduled to help out on a swim support donw the Manhattan side of the Hudson and felt that I was needed as we didn't have a lot of support kayaks. I was okay on the swim support because my mind was occupied with what I was doing. But after arriving at the swim end and paddling down a bit further to a kayaking hangout, I started feeling ill again. I had lunch but, dumb me, I had a hot dog! NOw I was really swaying and quite ill. I did have the choice of just folding up my boat and heading home by cab (always a nice safety move with a foldable; make a one-way trip of it when things go bad) but I decided to paddle back anyway. The 5 mile trip back to the put-in was a nightmare. Huge wakes were hitting me from the heavy recreational and commercial traffic and causing clapotis as the wakes reflected off the seawall and piers. I did warn my companions that I wasn't feeling well and to keep an eye out on me, something they probably would not have ordinarily done, knowing I can fend for myself. I remembered the old thing about keeping my eye fixed on the horizon, in this case the straight line of cliffs on the Jersey side and not at all look at the wakes and waves. Since I wasn't looking at them, I couldn't do the little wiggles and Body English adjustments you unconsciously do on the water (or on a bike or a car in uneven terrain). The sensation was the same as paddling at night when you can't see what the water is doing around you, just hear it, although with the din of highway traffic nearby, helicopters and the roar of boat engines, I couldn't hear much. I was certainly glad to get off the water, crawling on the dock and happy to see a big Russian friend on the pier above me who I could ask to take my boat up. He grabbed my K-Light under one arm. I should have asked him to carry me under the other; what a sight that would have been! :-) ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I > have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. I had some queasiness once at night when in crossed swells -- probably absence of a good horizon, but it was minor. My EX (who is quite prone to motion sickness) had trouble with it last summer in the Charlottes -- when there was not much of a swell running. She put on a Scope patch the next day and was fine the remainder of the 10 days. My son, who has worked as a deck hand on charter boats quite a lot, always wore a scope patch while on deck. He did not experience any problems in the Charlottes last summer, and has never had sea sickness while yakking. Otherwise, I know of no one who has experienced sea sickness while yakking, but most of my yakking is in protected waters with not much swell. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hi, Dave I also have a girlfriend who is very prone to seasickness. She has had good luck with Scope patch, but test it first on dry land! She weighs in at about 120 pounds and the first time she tried one on land it really hit her hard - she was waking up on the couch like 15 hours later, and not remembering what happened. Even half a patch was enough to really make her dopy. Obviously dose per pound of body weight is of concern and individual tolerances may vary a great deal. She does well with a 1/4 of patch, but Thank God she did not just stick on a full patch while on the water to give it a try! I have been fortuanate to have only one badl bought of sea sickness, so I can comment more on what contributes to my getting sick rather than the cure. On an earlier post about incapacitated paddlers I talked about an 85 mile Lake Michigan crossing where two of our group got very ill. We were in 3-5 foot seas for most of the first 40 miles and much of that was paddling at night. We would raft up once per hour for a short break and we all noted that fiddling with gear on your deck (looking at a close fixed object) will quickly make you queasy. I did not get seasick that time, but I was lucky. Looking at your deck compass is really bad news so take turns if you are out of sight of land and check the compass with quick glances. Night paddling had a similar effect to looking at a close fixed object. Not a big deal if you are out for a short moonlight paddle, but if you spend 5-10 hours in rough conditions in the dark expect the worst! The only time I got bad enough to feed the fishes was on a 67 mile crossing of Lake Superior from Stannard Rock Lighthouse to Caribou Island. Don Dimond and I were paddling in the dark and thick fog with a tiny but steep chop that made my headlamp light beam dance and my compass very hard to read in my Romany 18 (it is too far forward to read well in the dark in fog). I think a compass light will help, but it is not a good night compass - too far forward. Normally at night Don and I would take turns on compass and pick a star that fit our heading, and only turn on our lights every 15 minutes or so to recheck our fixed point of reference in the night sky. On the starless night in the fog I felt really queasy by about 2300 and even after putting Don on compass and using the wrist bands and Dramamine it got worse all night long. I did not do the high brace hurl until 0600, but although I felt better I was having a terrible time staying awake after that. I don't know if it was the Dramamine or just being put through the wringerall night with seasickness, but it can really sap your energy. I did not need to be towed, but by 0800 I could only paddle about 20 minutes before needing to lay across Dons boat to take a cat-nap. I am very glad I was not alone or I would have probably flipped and woken up upside down. I am not sure I can sleep sitting up in my Romany! Everyone will probably get sick at least once in their life regardless of resistant they are to motion sickness - it will get you one day. If it does hopefully you won't be alone and you can laugh about it later. My buddies on the Lake Michigan alternated between horrible wretching and laughter about their situation - they were delighted to hear that I finally got to share their fate ( Rich, Gary, I am sorry I teased you guys !). I told Nigel Dennis about my experience with the Romany compass at night in fog. It sounds like even Nigel is not immune to seasickness- His words of Wisdom?...." You know Bill, what I hate about getting sick at sea? Its the little bits that get caught in your nostrils!" Dave Kruger wrote: > rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I > > have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. > > I had some queasiness once at night when in crossed swells -- probably > absence of a good horizon, but it was minor. > > My EX (who is quite prone to motion sickness) had trouble with it last > summer in the Charlottes -- when there was not much of a swell running. > She put on a Scope patch the next day and was fine the remainder of the 10 > days. > > My son, who has worked as a deck hand on charter boats quite a lot, always > wore a scope patch while on deck. He did not experience any problems in > the Charlottes last summer, and has never had sea sickness while yakking. > > Otherwise, I know of no one who has experienced sea sickness while yakking, > but most of my yakking is in protected waters with not much swell. > > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
wanewman_at_uswest.net wrote: > > Hi, Dave I also have a girlfriend who is very prone to seasickness. She has > had good luck with Scope patch, but test it first on dry land! She weighs in > at about 120 pounds and the first time she tried one on land it really hit her > hard - she was waking up on the couch like 15 hours later, and not remembering > what happened. Even half a patch was enough to really make her dopy. > Obviously dose per pound of body weight is of concern and individual tolerances > may vary a great deal. She does well with a 1/4 of patch, but Thank God she > did not just stick on a full patch while on the water to give it a try! > > I have been fortuanate to have only one badl bought of sea sickness, so I can > comment more on what contributes to my getting sick rather than the cure. On > an earlier post about incapacitated paddlers I talked about an 85 mile Lake > Michigan crossing where two of our group got very ill. [major snipperoo] Wow. That was some story -- you guys have more guts than I do! (And obviously you needed them -- all that hurling!) Re: scope patches: your GF's experience is an extreme reaction to scope, but not unusual, I've been told. Aside from her smaller body mass, there is also considerable variation in rapidity of absorption, inasmuch as the stuff gets into your system via diffusion across the membrane on the (skin side) of the patch. Degree of subcutaneous fat at the location of application probably affects it, too. Scary! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I > have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. As someone who has gotten physically ill while paddling a Nordkapp HM I can definitely vouch for it happening. Both times were during the Blackburn challenge race. Quartering seas, from the stern, while I'm paddling hard seem to be the biggest problem. After cleansing my innards I had no problems paddling into a stiff breeze and 1+ foot waves. I was using ginger tablets the second time, they definitely didn't help me. An empty stomach definitely makes matters worse. To add to the confusion, I've never gotten seasick in a canoe. Just in a sea kayak. I own a pair of the wrist thingies, I haven't tried them in a situation where I think I might get seasick. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:50 AM 4/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > >I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I >have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. My supposition >was that a lot of seasickness happens on a larger boat where your head I have a kayaking buddy that gets it real bad in swells, but not in chop. Go figure. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I am one prone to motion sickness; experienced it once in the kayak so far, in swells about 4-5 feet on a warm day. It was a short paddle (2 hours total), and I was able to keep the sickness from progressing to a full blow out, so to speak, somehow... maybe by paddling hard, or concentration on something besides the swell movement. Karen Wes Boyd wrote: > > At 07:50 AM 4/9/99 -0700, you wrote: > > > >I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I > >have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. My supposition > >was that a lot of seasickness happens on a larger boat where your head > > I have a kayaking buddy that gets it real bad in swells, but not in chop. Go > figure. -- Karen Hancock San Clemente, CA magpi_at_access1.net 949/487-2602 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> > My girlfriend is prone to sea-sickness, and has had good results with the > new, less-drowsiness formula Dramamine (which we couldn't find in Canada). > That was in rather light swell, though she gets sick pretty easily. Has > anyone had a failure of this stuff in severe tests?? |Not familiar with any improvements in Dramamine, Mike --- even |kids' Benadryl knocks me out --- but has she tried those little |pressure point straps for the wrists? I'm not prone to sea |sickness, but, in continuing chop on workboats during prolonged |tests at sea, I have felt pretty punk, and found those straps <did> |make a difference. Or I <thought> they did, which is all that |counts. An option --- relatively inexpensive and drug-free. Give these things a try. My mother gets motion sick in the back of a car, airsick on planes, and seasick on a boat anchored in flat, and I do mean flat, water. She says these things work. Hope this helps.... Dan McCarty *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
It happens. Last summer one of my students said he was prone to being seasick on larger boats, so he though he would try kayaks. He climbed in with me standing in shallow water helping him balance. Within a couple of minutes he puked all over me. For myself, I get very woozy in flat light conditions, be it skiing or paddling. Cheers, Richard Culpeper www.geocities.com/~culpeper ---------- > From: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Towing, seasick > Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 10:50 AM > > > > My girlfriend is prone to sea-sickness, and has had good results with the > > > new, less-drowsiness formula Dramamine (which we couldn't find in Canada). > > > That was in rather light swell, though she gets sick pretty easily. Has > > > anyone had a failure of this stuff in severe tests?? > > > > Not familiar with any improvements in Dramamine, Mike --- even > > kids' Benadryl knocks me out --- but has she tried those little > > pressure point straps for the wrists? > > I was surprised to hear all this talk about seasickness in a kayak. I > have never seen it in 10 years of paddling with groups. My supposition > was that a lot of seasickness happens on a larger boat where your head > is a good 12 feet above the surface of the water and the rocking of the > boat swings you in a greater arc and therefore might induce sea > sickness. > > I have been sick on the water, most recently last year, but not from > seasickness as such. I had not been feeling well anyway that morning > but I was scheduled to help out on a swim support donw the Manhattan > side of the Hudson and felt that I was needed as we didn't have a lot of > support kayaks. I was okay on the swim support because my mind was > occupied with what I was doing. But after arriving at the swim end and > paddling down a bit further to a kayaking hangout, I started feeling ill > again. I had lunch but, dumb me, I had a hot dog! NOw I was really > swaying and quite ill. I did have the choice of just folding up my boat > and heading home by cab (always a nice safety move with a foldable; make > a one-way trip of it when things go bad) but I decided to paddle back > anyway. > > The 5 mile trip back to the put-in was a nightmare. Huge wakes were > hitting me from the heavy recreational and commercial traffic and > causing clapotis as the wakes reflected off the seawall and piers. I > did warn my companions that I wasn't feeling well and to keep an eye out > on me, something they probably would not have ordinarily done, knowing I > can fend for myself. > > I remembered the old thing about keeping my eye fixed on the horizon, in > this case the straight line of cliffs on the Jersey side and not at all > look at the wakes and waves. Since I wasn't looking at them, I couldn't > do the little wiggles and Body English adjustments you unconsciously do > on the water (or on a bike or a car in uneven terrain). The sensation > was the same as paddling at night when you can't see what the water is > doing around you, just hear it, although with the din of highway traffic > nearby, helicopters and the roar of boat engines, I couldn't hear much. > > I was certainly glad to get off the water, crawling on the dock and > happy to see a big Russian friend on the pier above me who I could ask > to take my boat up. He grabbed my K-Light under one arm. I should have > asked him to carry me under the other; what a sight that would have > been! :-) > > ralph diaz > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter > PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 > Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com > "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Commonly called "Feeding the fish", both in SCUBA and sailing. The advantage in SCUBA is you get to see the fish eating. :-)) michael dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net wrote: > > At 10:05 AM 4/12/99 -0400, Bob Denton wrote: > >One of the essential scuba skills is learning to puke underwater. An > >essential aspect of this skill is chewing you food well. > > > > Bob how do you practice this? Do they teach a class?? he he *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
We call it chumming the fish here.enough on this topic yuck!! Dana At 07:40 PM 4/12/99 +0000, Michael Neverdosky wrote: >Commonly called "Feeding the fish", both in SCUBA and sailing. >The advantage in SCUBA is you get to see the fish eating. :-)) > >michael > >dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net wrote: >> >> At 10:05 AM 4/12/99 -0400, Bob Denton wrote: >> >One of the essential scuba skills is learning to puke underwater. An >> >essential aspect of this skill is chewing you food well. >> > >> >> Bob how do you practice this? Do they teach a class?? he he >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
We call it chumming the fish here.enough on this topic yuck!! Dana At 07:40 PM 4/12/99 +0000, Michael Neverdosky wrote: >Commonly called "Feeding the fish", both in SCUBA and sailing. >The advantage in SCUBA is you get to see the fish eating. :-)) > >michael > >dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net wrote: >> >> At 10:05 AM 4/12/99 -0400, Bob Denton wrote: >> >One of the essential scuba skills is learning to puke underwater. An >> >essential aspect of this skill is chewing you food well. >> > >> >> Bob how do you practice this? Do they teach a class?? he he >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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