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From: edward sullivan <sullivaned_at_pop.kpnw.org>
subject: [Paddlewise] Stoves, cats, and skeeters
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:30:15 -0800
>Anyone out there have any exploding MSR tales of terror?

I lit up my hand one time and nonchalantly walked around camp using it for illumination
much to my companion's amusement.  I just got back from camping in Bryce Canyon, Zion
etc, and I called Delta several times for their policy on stoves and they said 'fine'. I
left it home anyway, rather than risk having to leave it at the airport (which happened
to some aerial flares I had in my carry-on a while back).

Re: Catskinning; Actually Michael, I think the phrase referres to catfish, which need to
be skinned to be eaten. I think they would make an attractive skinboat.
(hey, thanks again for the radio; my bro gave me an Apelco 520 for my brithday (great
kid, he) so it's a back-up now).

Any you swamp cruisers have knowledge of  electronic mosquito scamblers? I saw one for 15
bucks which was maybe 2"x2"x.5" said to run 500 hours on a [whatkindof?] battery. Somehow
slathering on Deet seems unhealthy.



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From: <dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Stoves, cats, and skeeters
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:12:54 -0400
At 01:30 PM 3/31/99 -0800, edward sullivan wrote:

>
>Any you swamp cruisers have knowledge of  electronic mosquito scamblers? I
saw one for 15
>bucks which was maybe 2"x2"x.5" said to run 500 hours on a [whatkindof?]
battery. Somehow
>slathering on Deet seems unhealthy.
>


Play the lottery with your $15, the electronic mosquito scamblers are good
conversation starters but do nothing to make them scramble away. I have
used one for five years because I have it but put on repelent anyhow. I use
good ole toxic DEET not that sissy "skin so soft".
We use shotguns on skeeters down here, I got 75 with one shot .

Dana
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From: Chris & Ellen Kohut <chriskayak_at_earthlink.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sandflies, deerflies, and skeeters, oh my!
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:47:46 -0400
I have no personal knowledge of the efficacy electronic bug zappers,
however what we have, (and Dana will doubtless attest to the veracity of
my statements), is Sandflys!  Lil' flying teeth, who I recently found
out have gain nothing by their bites but they do it anyway for the 'ell
of it all.  I am further told that what stings slightly is their
questionable practice of defecating in their bites!   Imagine!
	
	My personal belief is that they first burst onto the scene sometime
after the middle of the last century, as some southern patriot made an
unspeakable faustian pact with the devil to to attempt to drive dem
Yankees northward again, during the Wawl of Gnawthern Aggreysson.

	What works for them toothy critters and toothy critters of every stripe
is:  

	Pam with olive oil!!!!  (I'm serious)

	I kid you not.  It clogs their little mouth parts, and they can't bite
you!!!

	DEET has been known to chemically fuse (I jest not!) a cheap vinyl rain
suit to the unfortunate's skin!  

	The downside to the application of an oily substance to one's skin is:

	1.  The toothy tend to drown  epidermally, creating a lovely patina of
bugs.  If you hate these as much as I do, a layer of deceased sandflys
actually has pleasant connotation about it.  As the Bard succinctly put
it ...." a dead enemy smells well."

	2.  Your subliminal cravings for vinegar and some fresh basil, perhaps
a bit of oregano, some romaine, or iceberg and fresh ground pepper is
almost beyond human endurance.

	The advantages to olive oil Pam:  

	1.  Olive oil is good for your skin.  (My mother-in-law swears by it
and has lovely skin---you gonna argue with my mother-in-law, Olga?)

	2.  It works.  Period. 

	Actually any oily substance will work.   I have a  friend who got a
group of scouts hopeless lost on a misbegotten kayak foray, in these
countless sloughs and tidal streams that connect soggy land masses down
h'eah in Savannah...... push came to shove when the tide drained out and
they had to hoof it for the roadway with kayaks in tow.  Somebody told
the deerflys about their tender,  helpless and succulent plight and
untold carnage and suffering ensued.  

	Their only relief was to coat every blessed exposed welted millimeter
of skin with .......*MARSH MUD!!!*  Leaving only their eyes so blue to
belie the appearance of a  small troop of as yet undiscovered Georgia
aboriginals emerging from the saw grass with fiberglass kayaks.

	The next trick was to elect one of them brazenly testicular enough to
actually thumb a ride to get one of their vehicles in this besmirched
condition. 

	Surely a list as august as this could produce similar stories of
misery,  betrayal and woe.
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From: <HTERVORT_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sandflies, deerflies, and skeeters, oh my!
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:30:58 EDT
In a message dated 4/10/99 7:08:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
chriskayak_at_earthlink.net writes:

<< 
 	Surely a list as august as this could produce similar stories of
 misery,  betrayal and woe. >>

 No sireee, bob!  Not from this quarter.  Not bein' raised up on no grits 'n 
cornpone (what're that may be), this child ain't ne'r goin be able to skin 
'em that high!  But I cun belly laff at 'em none the less.

Harold 
Just slightly west of Dixie
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sandflies, deerflies, and skeeters, oh my!
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:25:15 -0400
>Are sandflys what you Yankees up in the Carolinas call no-see-ums?

    Probably.   I remember getting bitten a lot by something so small I
couldn't see it when I lived in Florida.   Here in NJ we have what's called
a "Greenhead" which is a small deerfly with bright green eyes.  -- A really
hard bite!
    Of course, in Florida you had chiggers but after a couple of months you
seemed to acquire a temporary immunity.
>

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From: <gpwecho_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sandflies, deerflies, and skeeters, oh my!
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:47:57 -0500
On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:47:46 -0400 Chris & Ellen Kohut
<chriskayak_at_earthlink.net> writes:
(((SNIP)))
>	Surely a list as august as this could produce similar stories 
>of
>misery,  betrayal and woe.

***
You can defame sandflies and deerflies, but a little respect now for our
"state bird" here in Louisiana ...the skeeter...  Mister Mosquito to be
on a more formal basis !

The talented skeeters will take your battery-powered-electronic-bug
zapper away from you and use your fresh batteries to power their "musical
Boom Boxes"  for evening entertainment after their feeding ritual.  You
can usually hear them around most campsites,  sometimes far off, but
usually camped fairly close by to your tent  !!

I, myself,  was once taken hostage by a band of marauding mosquitos. 
They stopped at the edge the woods and one of the mosquitos said, "Do we
eat him here at the beach or take him further into the woods ?"  I
distinctly heard the answer that if  "they went further into the woods,
the really BIG mosquitos would take me away from them !!"  Fortunately, I
was wearing my rope cutting, mosquito gutting river knife and managed to
escape with only an occasional nightmare now and then from my
ordeal......  ::--))   Peyton (Louisiana) 




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From: Peter Osman <PeterO_at_ambri.com.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Sandflies, deerflies, and skeeters, oh my!
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:34:24 +1000
My Mother in Law uses a drop of lavender oil. Cure might be worse than
problem and I don't know what it would do to other pests but it seems to
ward off Aussie Mossies for her. 
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From: Steve Cramer <cramer_at_coe.uga.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Stoves, cats, and skeeters
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:22:41 -0400
edward sullivan wrote:
> 
> Any you swamp cruisers have knowledge of electronic mosquito scamblers?

I wouldn't recommend scrambling mosquitos, the legs and beaks get
twisted together into a tough, chewy mass. Much better to bread them and
fry them like popcorn shrimp.

Steve
-- 
Test Scoring & Reporting Services       Sometimes, you never can
University of Georgia                     always tell what you
Athens, GA 30602-5593                       least expect the most.
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Stoves, cats, and skeeters
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:47:44 -0400
>Any you swamp cruisers have knowledge of  electronic mosquito scamblers? I
saw one for 15  bucks which was maybe 2"x2"x.5" said to run 500 hours on a
[whatkindof?] battery. Somehow slathering on Deet seems unhealthy.
>
    My research interests used to be in bioacoustics.  There's little if any
evidence that mosquitoes can hear at all.

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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Stoves, cats, and skeeters
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:20:26 -0400
The best Deet solution is the 3M stuff designed for the military. It has the
Deet bound ina slow release polymer which also reduces skin absorption.

cu

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		At 01:30 PM 3/31/99 -0800, edward sullivan wrote:

		>
		>Any you swamp cruisers have knowledge of  electronic
mosquito scamblers? I
		saw one for 15
		>bucks which was maybe 2"x2"x.5" said to run 500 hours on a
[whatkindof?]
		battery. Somehow
		>slathering on Deet seems unhealthy.
		>


		Play the lottery with your $15, the electronic mosquito
scamblers are good
		conversation starters but do nothing to make them scramble
away. I have
		used one for five years because I have it but put on
repelent anyhow. I use
		good ole toxic DEET not that sissy "skin so soft".
		We use shotguns on skeeters down here, I got 75 with one
shot .

		Dana
	
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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Stoves, cats, and skeeters
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:29:23 -0400
Just saw a solar powered scrambler at Brookstone...

cya

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		>Any you swamp cruisers have knowledge of  electronic
mosquito scamblers? I
		saw one for 15  bucks which was maybe 2"x2"x.5" said to run
500 hours on a
		[whatkindof?] battery. Somehow slathering on Deet seems
unhealthy.
		>
		    My research interests used to be in bioacoustics.
There's little if any
		evidence that mosquitoes can hear at all.

	
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