Opinions wanted on small-packing free-stneding tents. I'm considering a Moss Outland or Starlet, but see in the Campmore catalog a few Eurekas that claim to pack nearly as small: the Backcountry2, Mountain Pass 2XT, Zephyr and Clip Timberlight XT2. Any opinions of the relative quality of these tents, or whether the packed sizes claimed are realistic would be appreciated. Suggestions of other small tents also of interest. Mike Wagenbach *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I just ordered the REI tent ...it's a small 2 person version of the Nitelite. I like the weight, packability and most importantly, ventilation. What I like about it is that you can roll back the fly and expose the mesh, but quickly replace the fly in case of sudden rain. It's on sale for just over $100. cya -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] On Behalf Of M. Wagenbach Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 12:18 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] Samll tent Opinions wanted on small-packing free-stneding tents. I'm considering a Moss Outland or Starlet, but see in the Campmore catalog a few Eurekas that claim to pack nearly as small: the Backcountry2, Mountain Pass 2XT, Zephyr and Clip Timberlight XT2. Any opinions of the relative quality of these tents, or whether the packed sizes claimed are realistic would be appreciated. Suggestions of other small tents also of interest. Mike Wagenbach *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I've had the Outland for about eight years. Every now and then I think I should change to a tent that offers more interior space and sit-up headroom for the same weight and packed size (such as the Starlet). And every time I start thinking that way, I wind up camping on an "islet" that is really just an over-ambitious rock, or on an unsheltered sand bank, and then I'm really glad for a wind-shedding shape that can be held in place with the kayak and a couple of water bags as tie-downs. I've sat out many a gale with never any concern about the tent. Caveats: interior condensation is a problem in cold, damp conditions. Moss now makes a netting inner body and a hooped vestibule fly for the Outland. Either would propably improve the situation. It is a small and oddly shaped floor space. Best for one person. Never tried it with two; I imagine after a night, you'd both either be best of friends or mortal enemies, nothing in between! Standard disclaimer (as now being disscussed on the group): I work for an outdoor retailer, but am not speaking as a spokeperson for my employer or Moss, and get no direct benefit from the sale of Moss products. Happy camping, Philip T. >From: "M. Wagenbach" <wagen_at_u.washington.edu> >To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subject: [Paddlewise] Samll tent >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:17:48 -0700 (PDT) > >Opinions wanted on small-packing free-stneding tents. I'm considering a >Moss Outland or Starlet, but see in the Campmore catalog a few Eurekas >that claim to pack nearly as small: the Backcountry2, Mountain Pass 2XT, >Zephyr and Clip Timberlight XT2. > >Any opinions of the relative quality of these tents, or whether the packed >sizes claimed are realistic would be appreciated. Suggestions of other >small tents also of interest. > >Mike Wagenbach > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** N49°16' W123°08' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>Opinions wanted on small-packing free-stneding tents. I'm considering a >Moss Outland or Starlet, but see in the Campmore catalog a few Eurekas >that claim to pack nearly as small: the Backcountry2, Mountain Pass 2XT, >Zephyr and Clip Timberlight XT2. I have a Timberlight A Frame I bought for backpacking and now use in the kayak. It weighs about 4lbs and packs about 6x18" or so. I dislike the way the mosquito netting hangs down and gives you very little room. There's no way to hold it up frpm the outside. I'm going to experiment with some sort of sticks/stakes/posts in the 4 corners from the inside to see if I can hold it up that way. If you're out with someone else, I hope the two of you are very, very friendly as it is really a one person tent. One the other hand, I also have the annex extension which I really like a lot but I don't pack it on tour. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Clyde Sisler wrote: > > >Opinions wanted on small-packing free-stneding tents. I'm considering a > >Moss Outland or Starlet, but see in the Campmore catalog a few Eurekas > >that claim to pack nearly as small: the Backcountry2, Mountain Pass 2XT, > >Zephyr and Clip Timberlight XT2. > > I have a Timberlight A Frame I bought for backpacking and now use in the > kayak. It weighs about 4lbs and packs about 6x18" or so. I dislike the way > the mosquito netting hangs down and gives you very little room. There's no > way to hold it up frpm the outside. I'm going to experiment with some sort > of sticks/stakes/posts in the 4 corners from the inside to see if I can hold > it up that way. If you're out with someone else, I hope the two of you are > very, very friendly as it is really a one person tent. One the other hand, > I also have the annex extension which I really like a lot but I don't pack > it on tour. > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** The Eureka Backcountry 2 has served me well for many kayak and backpacking trips in some pretty wet weather. Would buy the same again. Also have a Timberlite 2, which is okay for one but a little tight for two, thinking of selling it, anyone interested? Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Since I have a terrible tent fettish, I will confess my sins publicly. Tent #1 - made by American Camper; 1 person & 1 dog size with a little cap as the fly. It leaked, but was a good starter. Tent #2 - Eureaka Equinox 4; fairly easy to set up, nice big size for multiple people/dog, good ventalation with 2 windows & a door but the fly was cut up over the 2 windows and the door - thus it leaked in major storms. I always seems to hit major storms. Tent #3 - a Kelty Canyon Ridge; 1 person only-no dog. Extremely easy to set up, nice sleeping size for one; not much room to sit up in, NO ventilation, a very small back vestible that you can only access from inside the tent, a back window that is only net and a partial fly over the door. Leaked. Tent #4 - WINNER! WINNER! NorthFace Nebula; plenty of room for one plus dog (during a storm there is enough head room that I can sit in my little chair. It has a full fly that folds back partially or totally so that just the center of the tent is covered. The ENTIRE front panel is the door (that's floor to ceiling, side to side). The back panel opens somewhat smaller but is still quite large. Half of the ceiling is also a zip roof panel. Purchased on sale for $229. Not real light or small though-8lbs 2oz & 8x25" NOTE: For the 1st time in 3 years I went to Campmor and did not go in the tent section. What an accomplishment. Yipppeeee! Debbie Reeves (leaving Saturday for kayak camping down the Potomac in my wonderful tent) Sandy Hook, NJ > ---------- > From: M. Wagenbach[SMTP:wagen_at_u.washington.edu] > > Suggestions of other small tents also of interest. > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) wrote: > > Since I have a terrible tent fettish, I will confess my sins publicly. > Tent #4 - WINNER! WINNER! NorthFace Nebula; plenty of room for one plus dog > (during a storm there is enough head room that I can sit in my little chair. > It has a full fly that folds back partially or totally so that just the > center of the tent is covered. The ENTIRE front panel is the door (that's > floor to ceiling, side to side). The back panel opens somewhat smaller but > is still quite large. Half of the ceiling is also a zip roof panel. > Purchased on sale for $229. Not real light or small though-8lbs 2oz & 8x25" Interesting. I took a different route, but ended up with the same tent Debbie picked! The Nebula looks to me like a "best buy" in serious storm-proof but roomy tents. I like the huge vestibule areas at either entrance, and it must be close to the VE-25 in ability to withstand high wind. Only drawback: it has a huge footprint. Guess for the size of the sleeping area, gotta expect that! The thing will definitely require sandhogs or snow flukes in soft sand or the like. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>>Opinions wanted on small-packing free-stneding tents. I'm considering a >>Moss Outland or Starlet, but see in the Campmore catalog a few Eurekas >>that claim to pack nearly as small: the Backcountry2, Mountain Pass 2XT, >>Zephyr and Clip Timberlight XT2. I've used a Sierra HalfMoon bought at Campmor for some years now. Similar to a Meteor Lite. Easy setup in just a coupla minutes. Has flex rods it clips to, then a fly. Roomy enough, and keeps warm in colder weather because of small volume inside. Weighs 4 lbs, about 18 inches by 4 inches diameter so easy to stick through a round hatch. JP *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Debbie Reeves wrote-- >Since I have a terrible tent fettish, I will confess my sins publicly. Dare I tell you about the Eureka Tent Sale? It's OK, it's over for the year but it's held at their factory in Binghamton the first full weekend of March. Great Bargains! Have you met Chris Nielsen yet? Last time I counted, I think he has 19 tents! > >NOTE: For the 1st time in 3 years I went to Campmor and did not go in the >tent section. What an accomplishment. Yipppeeee! > The greatest moneysaver was when they opened I-287. Then I didn't go by CampMor on the way North and I didn't sign my life away so often. JP *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I like the Eueka Apex XT because of the two doors. If there are two of you in the tent, you don't have to step over one another to go in/out. The doors are large so they offer a lot of ventilation. Nice to have a cross breeze you can feel! I would say it is roomy for one person + gear and cozy for two people + gear. It is light (around 5 lbs. I think) and packs small except for the stock fiberglass poles (2) that when broken down are still 24" long. Besides the poles my other minor annoyances are that it was made in Korea and that the seams were not waterproofed at the factory. -Bob Matter *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Apr 21, 21:14, "Reeves, Debbie (Debbie)" wrote: } Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Samll tent > Since I have a terrible tent fetish, I will confess my sins publicly. So does Jackie. :-) -- Bob Myers InteleNet Communications, Inc. Email: bob_at_InteleNet.net 18101 Von Karman Avenue, Suite 550 Phone: 949-851-8250 x227 Irvine, CA 92612 Fax: 949-851-1088 http://www.intelenet.net/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
The greatest moneysaver was when they opened I-287. Then I didn't go by CampMor on the way North and I didn't sign my life away so often. JP ------- What part of the state is Saddle River in? I go to New Jersey once or twice a year but have never been to see them. No, never mind, I spend enough with them as it is. I think I've already subsidized at least one of their entire departments. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Sisler, Clyde wrote: > > The greatest moneysaver was when they opened I-287. Then I didn't > go by CampMor on the way North and I didn't sign my life away so often. > JP > > ------- > > What part of the state is Saddle River in? I go to New Jersey once or twice > a year but have never been to see them. No, never mind, I spend enough with > them as it is. I think I've already subsidized at least one of their entire > departments. A couple of points: 1) Campmor is well worth a visit as it is quite huge and almost always has little special sales on items. I have picked up some wonderful things there such as one of those silk sleeping bag liners that I would never would look at at their full $55 price but looked awfully inviting at $15!!!. Or some polartec 100 tops that had been going for around $50 but were at $18. Every tent is on display; you could spend a whole day crawling in and out of the 50 or so that seem to be there (one two tiers; you pull the top ones down to the floor to try out). The boating department is so-so, I hate to say that as I do know the boating buyer. Just not up to date. Few or none of the better PFDs, sprayskirts, non-neoprene cold water fleece, etc. It is about 15 miles from the Upper Westside, where I live, i.e. less than a half hour drive even with traffic. You could catch a commuter bus there if visiting New York on business. It is on Highway 17 North. 2) Anyone on Paddlewise coming to New York City should check into paddling possibilities here. With a folding kayak it is relatively easy to access all sorts of places using public transportation. But if you call with enough advance notice, I could probably cook up some hardshells or folding kayaks to use for the classic trip around the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island. I would be even happy to accomodate those Paddlewisers who make wisecracks about folding kayaks...if they don't mind a old leaky plastic boat. :-) (As a side note, when I was out paddling yesterday up closer to my home, my marine radio kept talking about a security zone around Liberty and Ellis Islands that even was diverting the Staten Island ferry around the back of Governor's Island--something that has very rarely happened. Seems Gore was in town at Ellis making the speech about bringing Kosovo refugees into the US. I supposed there was fear that some ferry passenger might shoot at him.) 3. Back to the tent choice. For a one-person tent, you can't go wrong with the Eureka Zephyr, the original one not the suped-up Zephyr XT or whatever it is called. The Zephyr packs down small, weighs an honest 3 and half pounds or so, has head room to sit up, is free standing and with terrific ventilation system. To me, the only flaw is that it does have purple around the floor which could show a bit in commando camping but the fly is a dullish gray, so okay for such type camping. BTW, the current issue of Backpacker reviews a number of one-person tents. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I received my REI Nitelite last night and set it up in the living room. It's about 1/3 lighter and smaller then my Kelty Domelite 2. It packs small enough to easily fit through the small front Valley hatch and has great ventilation and a polyester fly. It's the first tent that I've owned in a while that requires staking but it seems to be easy to set up and take down. The vestibule is a nice feature, and it's got a built in vent with a wire stiffener to hold it open. I'm hoping to give it a run for it's money this weekend in the Everglades or the Keys. cu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Denton wrote: > > I received my REI Nitelite last night and set it up in the > living room. It's about 1/3 lighter and smaller then my Kelty Domelite 2. It > packs small enough to easily fit through the small front Valley hatch and > has great ventilation and a polyester fly. > > It's the first tent that I've owned in a while that requires > staking but it seems to be easy to set up and take down. And what did you use to fill the holes in the living room floor Bob? -- gabriel l romeu http://studiofurniture.com furniture, designed and constructed http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>What part of the state is Saddle River in? I go to New Jersey once or twice >a year but have never been to see them. No, never mind, I spend enough with >them as it is. ........ I used to take a complicated set of roads from here in Central NJ to the Garden State Parkway and get off on exit 163 a few miles N of I-80 to Route 17 North on the way to the NY Thruway. It's a few miles north of that exit, around Oradell Avenue. So it's not too far from NYC. Route 17 is usually a heavily travelled multilane divided highway or NJ's longest parking lot. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
My living room floor is terrazzo so I had to use a hammer and chisel to get the stakes in! -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel L Romeu [mailto:romeug_at_erols.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:37 AM To: Bob Denton Cc: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Samll tent Bob Denton wrote: > > I received my REI Nitelite last night and set it up in the > living room. It's about 1/3 lighter and smaller then my Kelty Domelite 2. It > packs small enough to easily fit through the small front Valley hatch and > has great ventilation and a polyester fly. > > It's the first tent that I've owned in a while that requires > staking but it seems to be easy to set up and take down. And what did you use to fill the holes in the living room floor Bob? -- gabriel l romeu http://studiofurniture.com furniture, designed and constructed http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Where is the Eureka made? I assumed much of the difference in price between these and the Moss was the difference between US and Chinese or Indonesian labor costs. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, M. Wagenbach wrote: > > Where is the Eureka made? I assumed much of the difference in price between > these and the Moss was the difference between US and Chinese or Indonesian > labor costs. > > Mike eureka makes some tents in the US others overseas. i think much of their top of the line [such as the outfitter models] are made in the US, i know my _OLD_ timberline was, whereas the "standard" was made in taiwon. mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: Nothing pains some people more than having to think. --Martin Luther King, Jr. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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