-----Original Message----- From: inetex <dlloyd_at_inetex.com> To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 12:31 PM Subject: [Paddlewise] Turning into the wind >10. A skegged Nordkapp can be a death trap in high winds >14. Storm paddlers living in Victoria mostly run British kayaks, though the Current Designs Gulf Stream, and some of the Necky kayaks get out a fair bit. The CD GTS sees a >fair bit of action too. P&H boats are very popular. The funniest guys to >watch are the whitewater kayaks: As they approach a wave crest in high >winds, they spin back downwind, heading back to the surf where they belong. Doug, Can you elaborate on characteristics you want in a storm boat? What do your storm paddling friends think of the boats you listed above? Although I don't intend to storm paddle, I am interested in boats that make travel in windy and rough, but not extreme, conditions easier and safer and less fatiguing. Wouldn't it be desirable to have a bit more volume as in the Gulf Stream? Would the CD GTS, a very stiff tracking boat, be almost a death trap, similar to the skegged Nordkapp? On the other hand, if ww boats cause problems don't you want a straight tracking boat? Do most storm paddlers ballast their boats? How do they get the fore/aft trim right? Is stability an issue at all? I feel comfortable in a stable 22" beam boat such as the CD GTS in chop and following seas but a twittery 22" boat like the Necky Arluk 1.9 makes me nervous in following seas. A 21" Nordkapp or 20.5" P&H Sirius would frighten me. Why not have a bit more, but not too much, stability? Why are British boats favored when there are so many Canadians? Finally, what about the Nordkapp makes it such a good storm boat? Does it require the long rudder that you talked about? Jerry *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Its the boater skill not the boat design that survives the storm. Some designs make it less work and more fun. I would recommended any Mariner kayak. I use the "MAX" model. Some people in the Northwest find foreigner boats exotic and compete to see who has the narrowest. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Tom wrote: >> >>Its the boater skill not the boat design that survives the storm. Some >>designs make it less work and more fun. I would recommended any Mariner >>kayak. I use the "MAX" model. >>Some people in the Northwest find foreigner boats exotic and compete to see >>who has the narrowest. >> ---------------------- While I do know people who might even give up kayaking if it wasn't for their Mariner kayak, I do take exception to the narrow foreign boat notion. I had huge battles here in Victoria in the early eighties when folks like Brian Henry who formed Current Designs, claimed narrow British boats as somewhat dangerous (yes, there was a context to his statements, and there is some truth to the name, Nordcrap). I see now he has a new boat out called the Extreme. At 18'10" and 21" wide, does that count as narrow. A number of North American boat builders include narrow designs in their line-ups these days. So nix the foreign designation. Heck, nix the British and the modern North American kayaks alltogether, and think about those ancient Artic kayaks - now those were narrow! :-) >From a big-butted North American who paddles a skinny Nordkapp (must be due to my *narrow* mindset!) <G> Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 18 May 1999 23:16:51 inetex wrote: > I see now he (Current Designs) has a new boat out >called the Extreme. At 18'10" and 21" wide, does that count as narrow. I had the chance to paddle an Extreme while at a local demo days (while my wife and I were waiting for a canoe being tested by someone else). Fantastic! It was love at first paddle. It tracked well but had excellent secondary stability so you could make nice leaned turns. Just sitting still I was pleased with how far I could lean it on its side without having to brace or hip snap back up, all the way to water coming in the cockpit (and I ain't no expert either). I wanted it, I wanted it, I wanted it! :) But there was Julie saying we already have kayaks, we're here to get a canoe. We'll upgrade to fiberglass kayaks another year. <sigh> :) BTW, we ended up ordering a Wenonah Ultra light kevlar Minnesota II. BWCA here we come! :) Mel --- There are three types of people, those who can count and those who can't. -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Hey, you don't get to say that I'm the "bad guy" here. We have kayaks, we just ordered a new canoe, and don't forget the second tent I picked up last month, plus all of the other assorted equipment. You're just going to have to wait...... and... so... am... I.... (self-control, must remember self-control, nice fiberglass kayak, oops, must control paddling urges...) :) Juls :) At 05:40 AM 5/19/99 -0700, Mel Grindol wrote: >On Tue, 18 May 1999 23:16:51 inetex wrote: >> I see now he (Current Designs) has a new boat out >>called the Extreme. At 18'10" and 21" wide, does that count as narrow. (snip) >I wanted it, I wanted it, I wanted it! :) But there was Julie saying we already have kayaks, we're here to get a canoe. We'll upgrade to fiberglass kayaks another year. <sigh> :) > >BTW, we ended up ordering a Wenonah Ultra light kevlar Minnesota II. BWCA here we come! :) > >Mel *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I echo those thoughts. I also paddled the extreme at a demo here and loved it as well. I currently paddle a GTS and it seems that the Extreme has all the good characteristics of the GTS (tracking, hatch space), but can also carve a mean turn and it accelerates like a bat out of hell. I want one too. Anyone know how it handles in big water and wind? Do kayaks count as a business expense if they make working more enjoyable because you know that soon you will be paddling a really cool new 'yak? -Patrick >I had the chance to paddle an Extreme while at a local demo days >(while my wife and I were waiting for a canoe being tested by >someone else). Fantastic! It was love at first paddle. It tracked >well but had excellent secondary stability so you could make nice >leaned turns. Just sitting still I was pleased with how far I could >lean it on its side without having to brace or hip snap back up, all >the way to water coming in the cockpit (and I ain't no expert >either). > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> >BTW, we ended up ordering a Wenonah Ultra light kevlar Minnesota II. BWCA here we come! :) > >Mel |Hey, you don't get to say that I'm the "bad guy" here. We have kayaks, we |just ordered a new canoe, and don't forget the second tent I picked up last |month, plus all of the other assorted equipment. You're just going to have |to wait...... and... so... am... I.... (self-control, must remember |self-control, nice fiberglass kayak, oops, must control paddling urges...) :) |Juls :) If you have a kevlar canoe I think you need matching kevlar kayaks. Come on, Juls and Mel, its just a little more. You KNOW you really really really want those kevlar kayaks! That wonderful gel coat in the color of your dreams is calling YOU! Ya'll can even get the color to match the canoe! Think how heavy your old plastic kayaks feel as you struggle to hoist them thar barges on and off your vehicle. Once you start easily lifting that light and airy kevlar canoe, you just gonna have to have kevlar kayaks. How to pay? Can you say "Magic Plastic?" 8-) Sorry, just had to say that! I bought two kevlar kayaks after three years of hoisting a 65 pound canoe/barge up/down from/to my third floor balcony. Thank goodness that manglers never saw HOW I did that. I don't think they would have appreciated the block and tackle that was temporarily attached to the building! Course my downstairs neighbours had interesting conversations about the flying canoe going past their windows! 8-) Later... DanWhoHasASINGLESTORYHouse! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 19 May 1999 dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote: > >BTW, we ended up ordering a Wenonah Ultra light kevlar Minnesota II. BWCA > here we come! :) > > If you have a kevlar canoe I think you need matching kevlar kayaks. Come on, > Juls and Mel, its just a little more. You KNOW you really really really want > those kevlar kayaks! That wonderful gel coat in the color of your dreams is > calling YOU! Ya'll can even get the color to match the canoe! Color matching a Wenonah ultra light? Ah, the color of kevlar and clear epoxy. gel coat? We don't need no stinkin' gel coat. Why bother with the extra weight ;-) Although a bag for car topping/storage is worthwhile, I noticed discoloration (you could see the strap lines) from parking in the sun for 1 day with a skin coat boat out of a bag. kirk owner of several clearcoat boats, one from about 1978(aptly named the beater) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Geez! I've never seen a husband-wife exchange in a newsgroup before! How big is your house? It must be huge if it is easier to converse by e-mail than yelling down the hall! Just teasing ya'all a bit. ;-) -Scott -----Original Message----- From: Julie Grindol <grindolj_at_lhl.lib.mo.us> To: Mel Grindol <grindol_at_my-dejanews.com>; Paddlewise <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Storm Kayaks >Hey, you don't get to say that I'm the "bad guy" here. We have kayaks, we >just ordered a new canoe, and don't forget the second tent I picked up last >month, plus all of the other assorted equipment. You're just going to have >to wait...... and... so... am... I.... (self-control, must remember >self-control, nice fiberglass kayak, oops, must control paddling urges...) :) > >Juls :) > >At 05:40 AM 5/19/99 -0700, Mel Grindol wrote: >>On Tue, 18 May 1999 23:16:51 inetex wrote: >>> I see now he (Current Designs) has a new boat out >>>called the Extreme. At 18'10" and 21" wide, does that count as narrow. >(snip) >>I wanted it, I wanted it, I wanted it! :) But there was Julie saying we >already have kayaks, we're here to get a canoe. We'll upgrade to >fiberglass kayaks another year. <sigh> :) >> >>BTW, we ended up ordering a Wenonah Ultra light kevlar Minnesota II. BWCA >here we come! :) >> >>Mel > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Scott wrote: Geez! I've never seen a husband-wife exchange in a newsgroup before! How big is your house? It must be huge if it is easier to converse by e-mail than yelling down the hall! Just teasing ya'all a bit. ;-) -Scott ********************************* I was wondering about the part about the second tent, myself. Married and separate tents?... Well, it's none of my business, anyway..... OTOH Mel, if you snore THAT loudly, please make sure you set up camp at least two lakes away from me when you're up there in the BWCA. :-) Larry Snow Seeker of peace and quiet in the wilderness *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Actually the second tent is smaller, and it packs much smaller... You see I'm one of those "little women" that can't generate any body heat, and I just get too cold at night. In the big tent he could escape my cold feet, but not in this snug baby! Juls ;) Snuggle Bunnies! Snuggle Bunnies!Snuggle Bunnies!Snuggle Bunnies! >From the old Outland comic strip :) ********************************* >I was wondering about the part about the second tent, myself. Married and >separate tents?... Well, it's none of my business, anyway..... OTOH Mel, if >you snore THAT loudly, please make sure you set up camp at least two lakes >away from me when you're up there in the BWCA. :-) > >Larry Snow >Seeker of peace and quiet in the wilderness >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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