After offering a few helpful suggestions to the roofers, they banished me from the roof this morning. We had showers last night so I can't paint so I drug (dragged?) the kayak out into the middle of the yard. Of course the roofers had unkind things to say but I ignored them. I bought Banshee Pro (as opposed to amateur?) Hip Snaps from Planetary Gear a while ago and then forgot about them. These are nylon type pouches with shims so you can adjust the thickness to your own bulging hips and you Velcro and strap them to the seat. The sticker says $32US. After fooling around with them for a while, I decided I felt more comfortable with one full hip pad than with two partially filled pads. I think I'll have that on my strong side. I also decided I didn't want them permanently or semi-permanently attached as they hinder my getting into the kayak. I noticed this getting in with the kayak sitting on the lawn so I can imagine the trouble it might cause on the water, particularly in lumpy water. There's a warning on the package about the possiblity of hindrence when entering and exiting. I think I'll just use the one hip pad and set it once I'm in the boat. I'll figure some way to keep from losing it; maybe a short tether connected to a D-ring somewhere. Any thoughts or comments? The second issue is foot peg adjustments. My thighs were kinda loose (not flabby loose) in the cockpit. Not being a roller, I had always set them so I could just reach them with the balls of my feet for rudder control (when I used it). I suppose now I have to find some happy medium between tight thighs and cramped legs. Sure hope this rolling stuff saves my butt someday. It's an awful lot of trouble. Oh well, time to go aggravate the roofers some more. They're awfully quiet. Then I'll see if I can do some fiberglass repairs without epoxying myself to the boat. Clyde Sisler http://csisler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Clyde Sisler wrote: > > After offering a few helpful suggestions to the roofers, they banished me > from the roof this morning. We had showers last night so I can't paint so I > drug (dragged?) the kayak out into the middle of the yard. Of course the > roofers had unkind things to say but I ignored them. hehehe. Do you need to be reminded that technology has eliminated the need for sod roofs? > > > I also decided I didn't want them permanently or semi-permanently attached > as they hinder my getting into the kayak. I noticed this getting in with > the kayak sitting on the lawn so I can imagine the trouble it might cause on > the water, particularly in lumpy water. There's a warning on the package > about the possiblity of hindrence when entering and exiting. I think a valid warning to be sure, but I would be a little apprehensive of just doing a single side- sounds like your building in a lean. I have only outfitted four yaks and have used both 1/2" closed cell foam layered (cheap sleeping bag pads) and 2" closed cell neoprene (glued with scotch super 90 spray adhesive)for a skinny Paul H. in a high volume boat. Layering allowed the fine tuning necessary to get a close fit with the ability of a wet exit. Generally I build up around the person layer by layer until it seems to be right, glue all the pieces together, then taper the edges on a stationary sander (belt or disk) so that entry and exit does not make the friction to peel it out. Then I glue it in the boat, some cases to the hull, some to the seat. > > The second issue is foot peg adjustments. My thighs were kinda loose (not > flabby loose) in the cockpit. Not being a roller, I had always set them so > I could just reach them with the balls of my feet for rudder control (when I > used it). I suppose now I have to find some happy medium between tight > thighs and cramped legs. And wonderful balance. Some have purported on the list of extending the seat for under thigh support. this seems an excellent idea which I will try today. > > Sure hope this rolling stuff saves my butt someday. It's an awful lot of > trouble. You may also find it a blast as I do. > > Oh well, time to go aggravate the roofers some more. They're awfully quiet. send a case of beer up there, you may get some interesting patterning. > Then I'll see if I can do some fiberglass repairs without epoxying myself to > the boat. how about "in the boat". > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** -- gabriel l romeu http://studiofurniture.com furniture, designed and constructed http://members.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photos, prints, etc. http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR a daily photo journal *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Sun, 30 May 1999, Clyde Sisler wrote: > > I bought Banshee Pro (as opposed to amateur?) Hip Snaps from Planetary Gear > a while ago and then forgot about them. These are nylon type pouches with > shims so you can adjust the thickness to your own bulging hips and you > Velcro and strap them to the seat. The sticker says $32US. > > After fooling around with them for a while, I decided I felt more > comfortable with one full hip pad than with two partially filled pads. I > think I'll have that on my strong side. > > I also decided I didn't want them permanently or semi-permanently attached > as they hinder my getting into the kayak. I noticed this getting in with > the kayak sitting on the lawn so I can imagine the trouble it might cause on > the water, particularly in lumpy water. There's a warning on the package > about the possiblity of hindrence when entering and exiting. Clyde, I am not a big fan of the Banshee removable hip pads. They are too loose even when the straps are tightened. This makes them less effective and much more likely to hinder entry. A much better (and cheaper) solution is to shape custom pads out of a couple of blocks of that gray minicell foam using a shaping tool. If you glue these pads in well, then they provide superior support, and also do not hinder entry or exit all that much -- especially if you shape little ramps on the top section to encourage your hips to slide by upon entry. Another advantage to shaping your own pads is that they can be the perfect width on both sides, and therefore avoid any lopsideness. > > I think I'll just use the one hip pad and set it once I'm in the boat. I'll > figure some way to keep from losing it; maybe a short tether connected to a > D-ring somewhere. > If the pad is not firmly attached to the boat, it will not provide much good at all. > Any thoughts or comments? > > The second issue is foot peg adjustments. My thighs were kinda loose (not > flabby loose) in the cockpit. Not being a roller, I had always set them so > I could just reach them with the balls of my feet for rudder control (when I > used it). I suppose now I have to find some happy medium between tight > thighs and cramped legs. > Having the foot pedals close enough to be comfortably snug should not cause cramping on its own. You may be having trouble with overly large footwear. What do you wear? There are many models of kayaking specific footwear that are popular today, which may greatly enhance your comfort level. I have long legs and big feet (size 13), and I use the Acona River Racer shoes. These are tight fitting and take up the least amount of room possible. In my sea kayak, it is no problem for me to take my feet off the pedals and point them forward in front of the pedals for a rest. Also the sticky river rubber provides excellent traction on slippery barnacle covered rocks. I really love kayaking specific footwear! > Sure hope this rolling stuff saves my butt someday. It's an awful lot of > trouble. Don't worry. You will be totally thrilled the moment you pull off a roll after an unintentional capsize. At this point, all the trouble you perceive won't seem like any trouble at all. I teach combat rolling quite a bit, and I love to see the excitement people get when they pull off their first combat roll. One bit of advice though, is to never stop practicing your roll! All aspects of your paddling will benefit from the practice, and you will be more likely to actually make that combat roll a reality. Good luck with your roll. Kevin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I >have only outfitted four yaks and have used both 1/2" closed cell foam >layered (cheap sleeping bag pads) and 2" closed cell neoprene (glued >with scotch super 90 spray adhesive) Unless they have improved the formula with the "super" Spray 90 is not waterproof and will come apart after a time in water. Try Spray 80 or Spray 74. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I have had good luck with the Perception hip pads, modified and glued to the hull. I traced my first set and found them easy to reproduce on a bandsaw with a block of minicell. cu *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 30-5-1999 8:19:30 PM EST, kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes: > A much better (and cheaper) > solution is to shape custom pads out of a couple of blocks of that gray > minicell foam using a shaping tool. If you glue these pads in well, then > they provide superior support, and also do not hinder entry or exit all > that much -- especially if you shape little ramps on the top section to > encourage your hips to slide by upon entry. > > Another advantage to shaping your own pads is that they can be the perfect > width on both sides, and therefore avoid any lopsideness. Sorry to just offer a Me, Too!, but I do want to endorse Kevin's advice, based on a decent level of both whitewater and sea touring experience. With a little shaping, you can get the pads so they provide excellent support for bracing and rolling, and not feel too tight over the long haul. Again, it's a bit like skiing: what feels too tight at first will feel just right in a while. Cheers, Jim *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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