Here's a thought carelessly tossed in the ring: Carry a small, highpowered paintball pistol. It's nontoxic, stings like a mother, and won't kill them. A thought - it better be a brightly colored gun - that way you won't be mistaken for an assassin, just a pissed off kayaker whom they better steer clear of. And it so handily straps right to the deck. My inlaws used to have problems with the Jetskiers from across the lake. These guys used to go ripping by the swim area, follow our boats too close and generally acted in great disregard for the lake community. The first guy actually drove through the swim area barely missing some departing boaters, a friend of ours another lakehome owner chased him down with his speed boat and royally chewed him out, wrote down his license number and called the sheriff who issued a big fat ticket. The second guy (a friend of the first) did the same thing on the Fourth of July. - No one was swimming at the time, but as we knew his route we readied a cannon for his return pass. I held one side, my brother the other, and my brother inlaw commanded the waterballon sling. (It's reputed to shoot a tennis ball sized ballon 120 yards - and at 50 yards, it can hurt) The Jetskier came through again and we drilled him in the side of the chest and took him clean off the Jetski. Man, that was so funny. His dad was fishing nearby and came to see what his son was yelling about. Only to laugh and tell him that it served him right and something about respect. - As he clambered back on and left, we wrote his number down and called the sheriff who came over to serve a breathalyzer. Ahh, Jetskis - good times. thekayaker_at_yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free _at_yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
This is the most stupid idea I have ever heard on this forum! It's a great way to get killed! "Gee Officer, he was pointing a gun at me so I had to blow him away! I didn't know it was a paint gun!" If you are going to carry a gun, make sure you know how and are prepared to use it and you have the will to kill what or whom you are aiming at. cu Carry a small, highpowered paintball pistol. It's nontoxic, stings like a mother, and won't kill them. A thought - it better be a brightly colored gun - that way you won't be mistaken for an assassin, just a pissed off kayaker whom they better steer clear of. And it so handily straps right to the deck. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Denton wrote: > > This is the most stupid idea I have ever heard on this > forum! I am glad Bob brought it up in such a mild form; I agree with him. Look at it this way: Would you ride down a road on skates and throw paint at some guys in a souped-up car that whizzes by you in a manner you didn't like? No! They will just come back and run you over. Same with a kayak and a jetski or a power boat. I was once on a club trip when some power boat came a little close and throw up a large wake. A woman in the group gave them the finger. I read her the riot act for she had most certainly endangered us all. What if the operator had had a few too many beers and, in a form of road rage, decided to run over a few of us. Absolutely under no circumstances do anything to provoke anyone who has more power than you and anything with a motor is more powerful than your kayak. Your most powerful form of redress and retaliation is your brain. Take note of the offending vessel's color and description and name. Use your marine radio to report it or later do so from a pay phone. In time repeat offenders will get caught and get grounded. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:03 PM 6/2/99 -0400, Bob Denton wrote: > > This is the most stupid idea I have ever heard on this >forum! > > It's a great way to get killed! > "Gee Officer, he was pointing a gun at me so I had to blow >him away! I didn't know it was a paint gun!" > If you are going to carry a gun, make sure you know how and >are prepared to use it and you have the will to kill what or whom you are >aiming at. Hi All! Have to chime in on Bobs side on this one. Too many wackos out there, and those paintball guns look pretty realistic, especially at a distance. Anyone unexpectedly pointing one at me would be quite likely to receive an extremely unpleasant .44 caliber surprise. We were always taught that you never point any weapon at something you don't want to put holes in . . . 'Sides, all PWC operators aren't morons, it's just the morons that make the headlines. Give the jetski people a break. Most of 'em are regular guys and gals out havin' fun just like you and me. Just because you're burning carbohydrates instead of hydrocarbons doesn't give you any exclusive rights to the surface of our public waterways. Sorry to rant, but we all gotta learn a bit of tolerance for our fellow fools. ByeBye! S. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Phil Huck wrote: > Here's a thought carelessly tossed in the ring: > > Carry a small, highpowered paintball pistol. It's > nontoxic, stings like a mother, and won't kill them. > A thought - it better be a brightly colored gun - > that way you won't be mistaken for an assassin, just a > pissed off kayaker whom they better steer clear of. > And it so handily straps right to the deck. [snip] good thing you all don't live in colorado, pointing a paintgun at someone will land you in jail for felony menacing, at the least, i'm sure. gun=gun as far as the law is concerned. mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [_| [_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: Nothing pains some people more than having to think. --Martin Luther King, Jr. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Perhaps the benefit of the doubt should be given to the gentleman's header, "Here's a thought carelessly tossed into the ring." Surely you are exhibiting a whimsical even playful 'solution' to to the obnoxious jet ski problem in your area........ you were......wern't you? Please tell me you were only joking? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
> On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Phil Huck wrote: > > > Here's a thought carelessly tossed in the ring: > > > > Carry a small, highpowered paintball pistol. It's > > nontoxic, stings like a mother, and won't kill them. > > A thought - it better be a brightly colored gun - > > that way you won't be mistaken for an assassin, just a > > pissed off kayaker whom they better steer clear of. > > And it so handily straps right to the deck. > [snip] > > good thing you all don't live in colorado, pointing a paintgun at someone > will land you in jail for felony menacing, at the least, i'm sure. gun=gun > as far as the law is concerned. Yup. I'm not sure where Phil paddles but I don't think the jetskiiers I've encountered would be intimidated by a paintball pistol. And I sure wouldn't want the only thing between me and a ticked-off jetskiier to be a paintball gun and a plastic sea kayak.... Maybe Tiny would be a better choice.... :-) Cheers, Jackie \ / | \ / \ | / __ ___ / __( ( )_ _( )___ \ | / _( ( ) __ __ _ _( )__ _( _( ) ______ ( ) ( ( )_ __ ( ( )__ __( ( ) ________ __ _( ______( ) _( ( ) ___ ___ _ __ (___ _ ___) ( ) __ ____ / | (_______ ( _ _ ) __ _ ___ | \ (_____ __ _(_ _ _ ) / \ / | \ _ _ / \O/ \ / | \ " __ __ _ _ _ ///\wVw/\\\ \\ / \0/ \ ////|\\\\ \\ " /// Y \\\ `\ (((/v\))) _/ \, //"\\ (/",o /{) _ ///|\\\ _ (_at___y// \ ||\///"\\\/|| [ [.`,___\ \\\\||"||//// [___`----+) \-----mm-`mm"mm--mm---------+---+-----\---------------') ~~~~jf~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~\~ ~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ o \ o o \\ o o \\ o ` (\ o o >jf:-) o (/ o o o *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
|I was once on a club trip when some power boat came a little close and |throw up a large wake. A woman in the group gave them the finger. I |read her the riot act for she had most certainly endangered us all. |What if the operator had had a few too many beers and, in a form of road |rage, decided to run over a few of us. Absolutely under no |circumstances do anything to provoke anyone who has more power than you |and anything with a motor is more powerful than your kayak. Your most |powerful form of redress and retaliation is your brain. Take note of |the offending vessel's color and description and name. Use your marine |radio to report it or later do so from a pay phone. In time repeat |offenders will get caught and get grounded. |ralph diaz Wow, two people from UpNorth I have to agree to in one day! 8-) Whats happening to the world! 8-) When I had my close encounter with the boater from NY, I had was steaming but I was literally shaking my head and just going to go on by. The operator opened his mouth and said something to me so I gave him both barrels. Verbally that is. If he had reacted in any aggressive manner or if I had thought he was under the influence I would have pulled around the point and landed my kayak and found a ranger to handle things. As it was, he understood his mistake and I continued on my 20 mile trip. I was very very very observant of all boat traffic for the rest of the day. Especially for a white runabout with NY registration with two couples on board! 8-) While I hate jetskis with a passion, I did have two jetskis actually slow down to wake speed well away from my wife and I once upon a time. It was a deliberate act of kindness on their part and we both could not believe it. I wanted to thank them but by the time we come to our senses as to what they had done the jetskis had passed as by! To point a paintball gun or lord help you shoot at someone is asking for lots of trouble. At a minimum it is going to be assault. You state laws are going to very in severity. Since paintball guns are g u n s, the pointed at person may assume the worse and shoot before you do with something that packs more sting than a paintball. Even throwing something at a jetskier is assault. At least in North Carolina and Florida. Later... DanIsHopingToFinishHouseChoresSoHeCanGoYaking.... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Once while paddling on a canal, a bunch of drunks in a powerboat tried to dump us and my wife gave them the finger. The turned around and came straight for me and missed me by a couple of feet then did it again. Someone in the backyard of one of the houses on the canal started yelling at them and they broke off the attack. I carried a gun with me for the next few months when I paddled that area. I never saw them again. BTW, that brings up an interesting question. Do most folks on the list carry their guns in a deck holster or in the cockpit? Are there any skirts or PFDs with integral holsters? Do any kayaks come with gun ports or glassed in holsters? Does a kevlar vest float? cu -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net] On Behalf Of rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:28 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] An idea for dealing with careless JetSkis/Boats I was once on a club trip when some power boat came a little close and throw up a large wake. A woman in the group gave them the finger. I read her the riot act for she had most certainly endangered us all. What if the operator had had a few too many beers and, in a form of road rage, decided to run over a few of us. Absolutely under no circumstances do anything to provoke anyone who has more power than you and anything with a motor is more powerful than your kayak. Your most powerful form of redress and retaliation is your brain. Take note of the offending vessel's color and description and name. Use your marine radio to report it or later do so from a pay phone. In time repeat offenders will get caught and get grounded. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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