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From: mike allegretti <mallegretti_at_sd46.bc.ca>
subject: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:35:47 -0700
I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
range and would prefer them also to float.



Mike Allegretti
Elphinstone Sec School
mallegretti_at_sd46.bc.ca


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From: John C. Winskill <johncw_at_narrows.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 21:06:26 -0700
Mike;

I've paddled for years with a pair of Zeiss 8x30 armored, individual
focus binocs.  Bombproof and with a lifetime warranty.  The exit pupil
of the 8x30 is 3.7mm whereas the 8x24 is only 3.3mm.  This doesn't sound
like much but on the water it can make seeing from a moving platform
much easier.  
I also own the comparable binoculars by Stiener, the 8x30 Hunting.  The
Zeiss are far-and-away better.  Brighter and less distortion in the
periphery.  Unfortunately, the Zeiss go for around $850 US while the
Steiner are around $500 (if I remember right).

John Winskill

mike allegretti wrote:
> 
> I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
> range and would prefer them also to float.
> 
> Mike Allegretti
> Elphinstone Sec School
> mallegretti_at_sd46.bc.ca
> 
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:58:40 -0400
|I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
|range and would prefer them also to float.

I have a pair of Nikon 10x50s which I need to replace since they had a near
fatal meeting with some concrete.   The problem with 10x binocs is that they are
to powerful.  You have to have a very steady platform to use the binocs.
Standing on land leaning against a car is kinda required.  However being a 50
lense is really really really useful.  I have use the binocs in just shy of
total darkness and it was really amazing.  The binocs gathered more light than
my eyes.  Course the problem with binocs that are at or near 50 is that they are
large and if you go with the very good European firms, very expensive.   8-(  My
paddling usually ends at dusk or at night so I need something that can gather as
much light as I can afford.

The next pair of binocs I'm eyeing is the 8X50's from Nikon.  There is a
waterproof model as well as one with a compass built in.  This could be useful.
They are running about $225 US or there abouts from mail order companies.  I
think they have a smaller lower power model as well.

I reallly want a Steiner 8x56 binoculars but since they are around $1100-1300 I
don't think the PowerThatIsMyWife will allow such a purchase!  8-)  I could
maturely take droping a $200 pair of glass in the water but a Stiener?  It would
be bad to see a grown man crying at the boat ramp...  8-)

Hope this helps...
Dan McCarty


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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:33:47 -0700
dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> |I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
> |range and would prefer them also to float.

I don't think you will find any of them that will float.  The trouble
with true marine binoculars (waterproof to x depth, 7X50 which can see
better at dusk than with the naked eye) is that thye tend to weigh in
the 2 pound range.  This makes them difficult to float even with a
flotation collar attached to the binocular neck strap.

I have been eying what looks like an interesting set of binoculars.  It
is the Brunton 8X24.  It claims to be waterproof and has nitrogen gas or
something to help make it so.  It weighs under 10 oz, which means it
would float with just a small float on the neck strap, even one of those
keychain thingies made of foam you find as giveaways at paddleshops and
boating events.  And it costs just $115 at Eastern Mountain Sports where
I saw it.  Many binoculars don't work well with eyeglasses which I use. 
These one is a delight.  At the price, weight, and claim of
waterproofness, it would be a nice compromise.  The waterproof warranty
is for a year or something.  My guess is that it would do just fine in
bilge water in your kayak and handle a quick accidental dip (say you
lean over while launching and your binoculars dangle for a second in the
water.

Brunton is well known for its compasses and other such tools.  I don't
know what kind of reputation they have had if any in the past with
optics.

ralph

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From: John C. Winskill <johncw_at_narrows.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:26:52 -0700
Sorry;
I calculated the exit pupil of a 8.24 binocular as 3.3.  It is actually
3mm.
John Winskill


John C. Winskill wrote:
> 
> Mike;
> 
> I've paddled for years with a pair of Zeiss 8x30 armored, individual
> focus binocs.  Bombproof and with a lifetime warranty.  The exit pupil
> of the 8x30 is 3.7mm whereas the 8x24 is only 3.3mm.  This doesn't sound
> like much but on the water it can make seeing from a moving platform
> much easier.
> I also own the comparable binoculars by Stiener, the 8x30 Hunting.  The
> Zeiss are far-and-away better.  Brighter and less distortion in the
> periphery.  Unfortunately, the Zeiss go for around $850 US while the
> Steiner are around $500 (if I remember right).
> 
> John Winskill
> 
> mike allegretti wrote:
> >
> > I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
> > range and would prefer them also to float.
> >
> > Mike Allegretti
> > Elphinstone Sec School
> > mallegretti_at_sd46.bc.ca
> >
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From: Michael Daly <michaeldaly_at_home.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 22:21:05 -0400
mike allegretti wrote:

> I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
> range and would prefer them also to float.

An affordable pair are the Bushnell 8x25 Angler model.  They are rubber
coated and waterproof.  With the wide neoprene neckband attached,
they float.  They aren't spectacular but they are fine for kayaking and
stuff.  Canadian Tire has them on sale occasionally for CAN$99.99.
You may find them elsewhere for the same or cheaper.  I've had
a pair since last year and have no real complaints.  If I was really rich,
I'd risk ruining an expensive pair but these suit me fine.

Mike.

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From: Eric Sonett <EricS_at_sakson.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] waterproof binoculars
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:48:47 -0700
Mike,

If you:

1) Would rather spend $300+ on something else (or don't have it), and
2) Don't want much weight around your neck,

Check out Fujinon's 7 x 50 w/ float strap. While these may use plastic
lenses, they work great (light gathering, ability to hold an image while the
kayak is moving, and internal compass). I got mine at Westmarine for just
under $200. 

If you've got the bucks for the best of everything, disregard the above...
FYI: I paddle a plastic boat so I can afford a Gore-Tex dry suit even though
I'd prefer a graphite/kevlar boat.

Eric

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I would like to hear opinions on waterproof binoculars in the 8X24 size
range and would prefer them also to float.



Mike Allegretti
Elphinstone Sec School
mallegretti_at_sd46.bc.ca


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