Does anyone have the URL for the(a) business which rents folding kayaks? I had it once and lost it. Now I need it to take a kayak to Europe this summer. thanks for your help, - Julio *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You may find it cheaper to purchase a used boat then sell it when you return. It will be a lot cheaper. -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Julio MacWilliams Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:24 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? Does anyone have the URL for the(a) business which rents folding kayaks? I had it once and lost it. Now I need it to take a kayak to Europe this summer. thanks for your help, - Julio *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I rented a Khat-S from this guy. He shipped to a friends address in MA. It was there waiting when I showed up. The rates were comparable to typical take away rates, the shipping was done at his bulk rate. I seem to recall something about paying for the rental for only half of the transit time. rb http://www.eskimo.com/~kayakadv/index.html Bob Denton wrote: > You may find it cheaper to purchase a used boat then sell it when you > return. It will be a lot cheaper. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Julio > MacWilliams > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:24 PM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? > > Does anyone have the URL for the(a) business which rents folding > kayaks? > > I had it once and lost it. Now I need it to take a kayak to Europe > this summer. > > thanks for your help, > > - Julio > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob, I don't know about your buy-used and sell option. I've paddled with Julio (once) and based on what I saw, he's going to want a Khatsalano or some other high performance, folding boat. These sell for BIG BUCKS. The used Khatsalanos I've seen on the market sell for well over $3000 (as they should --- these are great boats)! That's a lot of cash to cough up. Yeah, that means he can probably turn the boat around when he gets back and recover the BIG BUCKS, but they also seem to take quite a while to sell. That ties up ones capital for a long time (assuming one has the capital to invest in the first place). --Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Denton [SMTP:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:49 AM > To: Julio MacWilliams > Cc: Paddlewise (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? > > You may find it cheaper to purchase a used boat then sell it when you > return. It will be a lot cheaper. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Julio > MacWilliams > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:24 PM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? > > > Does anyone have the URL for the(a) business which rents folding > kayaks? > > I had it once and lost it. Now I need it to take a kayak to Europe > this summer. > > thanks for your help, > > - Julio > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I agree but a Khats also rents for big bucks! I mentioned cheaper twice in my message. There is no doubt that he could purchase and resell a boat for much less then the rental. Also, don't under rate the K-Light. I've paddled many miles with Chuck Landis in his K-Light and I had no trouble keeping up him in my Nordkapp...many others in our group dropped back. -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Mattson, Timothy G Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:04 PM To: Paddlewise (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? Bob, I don't know about your buy-used and sell option. I've paddled with Julio (once) and based on what I saw, he's going to want a Khatsalano or some other high performance, folding boat. These sell for BIG BUCKS. The used Khatsalanos I've seen on the market sell for well over $3000 (as they should --- these are great boats)! That's a lot of cash to cough up. Yeah, that means he can probably turn the boat around when he gets back and recover the BIG BUCKS, but they also seem to take quite a while to sell. That ties up ones capital for a long time (assuming one has the capital to invest in the first place). --Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Denton [SMTP:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:49 AM > To: Julio MacWilliams > Cc: Paddlewise (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? > > You may find it cheaper to purchase a used boat then sell it when you > return. It will be a lot cheaper. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Julio > MacWilliams > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 2:24 PM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? > > > Does anyone have the URL for the(a) business which rents folding > kayaks? > > I had it once and lost it. Now I need it to take a kayak to Europe > this summer. > > thanks for your help, > > - Julio > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here is one URL: http://www.eskimo.com/~kayakadv/rent.htm Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Tim Mattson wrote: > > Bob, > > I don't know about your buy-used and sell option. > > I've paddled with Julio (once) and based on what I saw, he's > going to want a > Khatsalano or some other high performance, folding boat. > These sell for BIG > BUCKS. The used Khatsalanos I've seen on the market sell for > well over > $3000 (as they should --- these are great boats)! That's a > lot of cash to > cough up. Yeah, that means he can probably turn the boat > around when he > gets back and recover the BIG BUCKS, but they also seem to > take quite a > while to sell. That ties up ones capital for a long time > (assuming one has > the capital to invest in the first place). > > --Tim > Brings to mind the saying "It takes money to make money". I recall seeing the message regarding the URL/company that Julio is trying to find - as I recall their rental & shipping prices were _extremely_ reasonable and appeared to be a very viable option for short term (<4 weeks) rentals. Unfortunately, I don't have that info either - hopefully someone here still does. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thank you to all who have responded to my e-mail about the folding boat rental URL: http://www.foldingkayak.com Their page implies that they charge for the days paddled, not the days that the kayak is in one's hands. I sent mail to verify this. thanks! - Julio *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here is a link to Western Folding Kayak Center - http://www.viewit.com/WesternFoldingKayak/ There have been some good deals posted on the guestbook there, if you would consider buying a used folding kayak. There are also some on the onwatersports (below) "kayaks for sale" page. Andree Hurley Hurley Design Communications - ICQ# 27469637 On-line Editor - http://www.canoekayak.com Other Kayaking - http://www.onwatersports.com Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/HDC/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 16:31 7/7/99 -0400, Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>wrote: >I agree but a Khats also rents for big bucks! I mentioned cheaper twice in >my message. There is no doubt that he could purchase and resell a boat for >much less then the rental. Also, don't under rate the K-Light. I've paddled >many miles with Chuck Landis in his K-Light and I had no trouble keeping up >him in my Nordkapp...many others in our group dropped back. [snip] >>I don't know about your buy-used and sell option. >> >>I've paddled with Julio (once) and based on what I saw, he's going to want a >>Khatsalano or some other high performance, folding boat. These sell for BIG >>BUCKS. The used Khatsalanos I've seen on the market sell for well over >>$3000 (as they should --- these are great boats)! That's a lot of cash to >>cough up. Yeah, that means he can probably turn the boat around when he >>gets back and recover the BIG BUCKS, but they also seem to take quite a >>while to sell. That ties up ones capital for a long time (assuming one has >>the capital to invest in the first place). >> >>--Tim some quick math from their page "$15/day for >25 days" 3000/$15 =200 day rental -- doubt he needs that if it's for "the summer" --more like $15*90=$1350 ... yes you could buy & resell for less, but for $1350 you get everything including a field repair kit, paddle & pfd [although i'd probably take my own ;-] and not have much of a headache ... _the_caveat_ 3 months notice for rentals in summer_!! hmmm, who's summer!! mark [julio, maligiaq says "hello" - you paddled with him for a day?] #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Does anyone have the URL for the(a) business which rents folding > kayaks? > > I had it once and lost it. Now I need it to take a kayak to Europe > this summer. > > thanks for your help, > > - Julio The URL is http://www.foldingkayak.com/ Keep us posted on your trip! :-) Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've dealt with these folks and they are excellent! -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Robert Woodard Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 5:48 PM To: Paddlewise (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] folding rentals URL? Here is one URL: http://www.eskimo.com/~kayakadv/rent.htm Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I purchased a used K-Light in excellent condition with a new combing,new spray skirt, new sea sock and repair kit for $1100 postage paid. I could have purchased a 4 piece paddle at a significant discount at the same time. So...assume the going rate for a good used boat (usually with paddle, skirt, sock and pfd) is around $1400 You could sell it in a heart beat for $1100 after a summer's use...net cost is $300 or 20 days to break even. In addition one could probably sell it quickly for $1200 or even $1300. I'm sure Ralph will confirm the numbers. Rental makes sense if you need the boat for a week or maybe two and you won't use it ever again, or if you want to seriously test paddle one of the more expensive boats. K-Lights are so easy to sell that they are used as currency in some 3rd world countries, and dowerys in others... Cya some quick math from their page "$15/day for >25 days" 3000/$15 =200 day rental -- doubt he needs that if it's for "the summer" --more like $15*90=$1350 ... yes you could buy & resell for less, but for $1350 you get everything including a field repair kit, paddle & pfd [although i'd probably take my own ;-] and not have much of a headache ... _the_caveat_ 3 months notice for rentals in summer_!! hmmm, who's summer!! mark [julio, maligiaq says "hello" - you paddled with him for a day?] #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Bob Denton wrote: > I purchased a used K-Light in excellent condition with a new combing,new > spray skirt, new sea sock and repair kit for $1100 postage paid. I could > have purchased a 4 piece paddle at a significant discount at the same time. Slobber, slobber, drool. What do you K-Light folks use for footbraces, and please don't suggest the rudder kit! Ralph had me all excited about the new Aluminum 14' Nautiraid but they're not in the US yet, and I want a boat *now*. I test paddled a K-Light a while back and had no luck getting a good bracing position with my feet and thighs. Otherwise I think I could be happy with the boat, especially for $1100! -Peter *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob Denton wrote: > > I purchased a used K-Light in excellent condition with a new combing,new > spray skirt, new sea sock and repair kit for $1100 postage paid. I could > have purchased a 4 piece paddle at a significant discount at the same time. > > So...assume the going rate for a good used boat (usually with paddle, skirt, > sock and pfd) is around $1400 > > You could sell it in a heart beat for $1100 after a summer's use...net cost > is $300 or 20 days to break even. In addition one could probably sell it > quickly for $1200 or even $1300. I'm sure Ralph will confirm the numbers. I think that Bob is right on the issue of buying a used foldable for extensive use for a season and then selling it. Used prices vary but you do see patterns and the pattern is that x model from y year will go for a certain price in a current market. That price will hold for a few months. So you could buy say a 1997 K-Light for $1,400 use it until August or Sept. and then turn around and sell it for $1,400 or go for a quick sale by offering it at #1,200. You can get that #1,400 price but you may have to wait. Folding kayaks don't have a "season" in the sense that there are end-of-season sales. Colder weather doesn't affect the market as people buy them just as vigorously then for taking to warmer climes. What I have seen in the folding kayak market are waves that are sometimes hard to explain. About a year or so ago, I had numerous used K-Lights listed in my newsletter's classifieds page. Some people would call or email asking if anything was wrong with the model. There wasn't anything wrong. It just happened to be and for some of the used boats, I knew of other circumstances such as a guy whose travel business had gone belly up and needed cash or a woman who was selling to help pay tuition for a daughter, etc. Now there is a plethora of Feathercraft K-1s in my classifieds. The reason there is clearer. In 1998, the company did a complete overhaul of the model, so much so that it really qualified as a new one. The bow was reshaped to resemble the sharp entry of the Khatsalano, length increased, frame revamped in several places to effectively make assembly easier, new deck material that is lighter and tougher and contributes to easier assembly, etc. So suddenly a bunch of older K-1s hit the market as people seek to upgrade to the newer version. But there were some 1998 models also in the classifieds. I don't know why but people sometimes buy in great enthusiasm choosing what they perceive as the best model and then decide they don't like kayaking afterall. > > Rental makes sense if you need the boat for a week or maybe two and you > won't use it ever again, or if you want to seriously test paddle one of the > more expensive boats. Yes, that is true. Besides Lyle Hancock of Folding Kayak Adventures who rents at http://www.foldingkayak.com you may be able to find dealers who will rent for a few days if they are not anticipating using their demos during that period. Lyle's rates are a bargain and I know he sells from his rental fleet as well as new boats as he has become a dealer, I believe. > > K-Lights are so easy to sell that they are used as currency in some 3rd > world countries, and dowerys in others... That is absolutely true for 3rd world countries (although we at Paddlewise prefer the PC term, developing countries or newly emerging economies, Bob.) The K-Light makes an excellent portable bathtub, lobster tank, wash tub, etc. And when not being used for such purposes, the hull makes an excellent hammock while a frame half stood vertically forms a sturdy tripod for holding a cooking pot. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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