-----Original Message----- From: Mattson, Timothy G [mailto:timothy.g.mattson_at_intel.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:00 AM To: paddlewise Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Drogues and Separation Yes it was the Amaruk. I suggested that my wife try the same stunt and she looked at me like I was a crazed motor-head --- not exactly the look you want to get from your soul-mate. By the way, I am a rolling fanatic and do it for fun whenever I paddle in clean water. But I make no claims of special proficency in rolling. I'm convinced that any competant roller could roll the Amaruk --- it was that easy. I'm looking forward to getting in other double and seeing if this is more broadly the case. --Tim ***************************************************** FWIW, I saw Kelly, an employee of Great River Outfitters, roll a double VCP kayak solo at the Great Lakes Sea Kayak Symposium a few weeks ago. At the wine and cheese party Saturday night, he also did a comedy juggling routine that had everyone in stitches. I'll never look at him the same way again. :-) I also met Paddlewisers Bob and Joan Volin there. It was nice to be able to chat in person and attach faces to some familiar names. As it happened, I met Bob only by chance one evening in the men's washroom at the campground. The next day, as I paddled over to Joan to introduce myself, she was taking pictures of my wife rolling, all unaware that we were related. Linda and I were a bit surprised that more people weren't doing a lot of rolling. The water in the bay was tropical in its clarity, and warm enough on that sunny weekend not to require special protection. Linda says next year she wants to see women demonstrate rolls. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have seen several people mention rolling tandem kayaks solo but I was interested in what people do to be in sync when trying to roll a tandem boat while two people are in it (and contributing to the roll). A friend of mine and I have been going through his fleet of boats (he rents and sells them) and rolling each one. About all that's left are his tandem boats and we want to give that a try as well. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I have seen several people mention rolling tandem kayaks solo but I >was interested in what people do to be in sync when trying to >roll a tandem boat while two people are in it (and contributing to the >roll). A. Agree beforehand which side you'll be rolling on! I saw a demo with Lugbill & Hearn a few years ago wherein they were strong enough to pop the C2 out of the water that way but of course no roll. B. I think the bow person tapped his paddle three times. On the third, they both began the motions. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi John, Based on my experience rolling doubles, I'd the most important thing is to agree in advance about which side you're going to roll on - I've had the experience of us each deploying our paddles on opposite sides, sweeping vigoursly in perfect synch, which lifted the kayak vertically out of the water a couple of inches, but accomplished little else. We both realized the problem, and both corrected for it, meaning, of course that we were once again set up on opposite sides. After this second unsuccessful attempt to turn the kayak into a hovercraft, we were both forced to wet exit, since we were laughing so hard we were nearly drowning. You must both be strong rollers in your own right. You should agree in advance that you will always roll on a particular side, or if you are both strong rollers on both sides, you could agree that you will always roll up on the side away from which you rolled over. A good way to stay in synch is for a designated paddler to rap three times loudly on the hull, after which you both sweep. Philip Torrens N49°16' W123°06' >From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> >To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net ('Paddlewise') >Subject: [Paddlewise] Rolling double kayaks >Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:30:19 -0400 > >I have seen several people mention rolling tandem kayaks solo but I >was interested in what people do to be in sync when trying to >roll a tandem boat while two people are in it (and contributing to the >roll). A friend of mine and I have been going through his fleet of >boats (he rents and sells them) and rolling each one. About all that's >left are his tandem boats and we want to give that a try as well. > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Joe Pylka wrote: > > John Fereira wrote: > >I have seen several people mention rolling tandem kayaks solo but I > >was interested in what people do to be in sync when trying to > >roll a tandem boat while two people are in it (and contributing to the > >roll). > > A. Agree beforehand which side you'll be rolling on! > this is critical to success in tandem rolling > B. I think the bow person tapped his paddle three times. On the third, > they both began the motions. > I've not rolled a tandem kayak, but when I paddled C2, my partner and I went through a progression of signals. We found that tapping on the boat didn't always work in rapids. We then had the stern paddler nudge the bow paddler with the paddle blade as a signal to begin the roll, but this also didn't work when the stern paddler was quicker to set up or accidentally nudged the bow paddler as part of getting to the setup position. We eventually got to the point where the paddler that did *not* have to switch sides (remember, this was a C2) would quickly set up and quietly wait. When he felt the side-switcher start to roll, he would also roll. Although there was a slight time lag in the rolls, this worked well for us. I understand that some of what we did is more specific to C2 than to a tandem sea kayak, but the point is that tandem paddling partners need to go through a trial and error process to find what does - and doesn't - work for them. In order to most quickly optimize a tandem roll, each of the partners should have a *solid* roll in the corresponding solo boat before working on the timing aspects in a tandem boat. Play Hard, Erik Sprenne *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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