Regarding experiences with tether lines: 1. Paddle Tethers I've been playing around with these things for years. During winter storm paddling, the loss of my main paddle would be tantamount to disaster when solo in the rougher stuff. Yes, I do carry a spare set of paddles on the rear deck, but does anyone really think even one half could be retrieved off the rear deck 100% of the time, while upside down? I did dump one time in high winds/seas; yes, it is true that I was out there on purpose, but it is entirely possible that someone could be caught in rough stuff accidently. I rolled so many times in the frigid waters without success, that by the time I wet exited and surfaced and regained composure, my paddle had separated from my kayak, with me half way between each item. I stupidly went for the paddle, and lost my boat and means of immediate return to land. It was a long, cold swim. I've used tether ever since. The 3 foot bungy line that Matt Broze describes on his web sight works well, and does double duty as a paddle float rescue tether. Of the systems I've experimented with, this has been my favorite. However, a couple of years ago, North Water came out with a coiled model leash, so I had to buy the new toy. Other versions are available from different companies, I believe. It works well, and my slim deck bag helps absorb the clack-clack on deck. What I don't like about the leash is that during hard maneuvers in tide rips, eddies, etc, the velcro does not have enough circumferential bind, and the leash refuses to stay in the middle of the shaft, as it slingshots back and forth, hitting each hand alternatively. The guys I rough water paddle with all use wrist tethers. They also carry them, ready to use, on the open coast, if the wind picks up, etc. During the Storm Island rescue in April, we had a number of occasions where we rafted up in extremely exhausted, dehydrated states. After rehydrating about the third time, we separated, attempting to get the bows back into the wind. Was I ever surprised to see my paddle floating away, having come undone due to the jostling of boats. I was able to grab the paddle and do a half put across roll. I never mentioned this is my narrative I gave Matt for the upcoming Sea Kayaker Magazine article, as I figured it was not too important, and that the leash failure was a remote happening. But, as I talk to others, I'm finding out that velcro suffers many problems when used in a water environment under pressure. Sorry to keep bringing up this Storm Island stuff, but it did test some of our gear to the max. Anyway, I heard via the grape vine that Nigel Foster may be doing an article on tethers, which should prove interesting. 2. Personal Tethers Audrey Sutherlands decision to use a boat to person tether simply highlights the highly inherent risks associated with solo paddling. There are a number of long crossings on the Alaskan routes, where winds can come up well before finishing the crossing. I also use a tether line for all long crossings. I also use it for all high wind paddling. Though I never use one while playing in surf or rock gardens, playing in moving water is still a dilemma, especially where tidal effects are mixed with high wind hazards. My article in Sea Kayaker described how I was entangled in my personal tether line, preventing me from swimming to my back-eddy refuge. I wished I had not put the line on that day, yet, if I had lost the kayak, it could have been a different outcome. Unlike my previous incident, this was not a lee shore beach situation. What's the answer? Don't paddle challenging conditions alone? What if you are separated from your friend or buddies? I'll continue to keep mine. I did get rid of my old tether line after the Trial Island thing. I now simply use my short river equipment rescue tow line, which has a bit of slack in it. I clip it to my deck, and can undo the harness if needed with the front buckle release. The short tow line is made from bright yellow web strap, which I feel is far superior to rope (my previous tether line). I also try to avoid wind/tide combinations if too rough, these days. As an aside, I was speaking to the president of a large kayaking association the other day, seeking his permission about an upcoming article on clubs for Wavelegth Magazine. He mentioned he had been "following" my writings, and said that the Trial Island story had caused him to think, "Doug sure can spin a good yarn". You know, I really did not want to see that story published, because it was so unbelievable -- so many things went wrong, *I* almost think it was made up reading it from a disassociative perspective. I did call Matt Broze about the incident. He felt it should be retold, as there were some good lessons to be learned, even if it wasn't normal touring kayaking. Well, you all have better things to do than listen to my dribble...so, kept your dogs leashed, but as far as paddles and kayaks, that's a totally individual choice with no right or wrong. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca> <large snip> > As an aside, I was speaking to the president of a large kayaking > association the other day, seeking his permission about an upcoming article > on clubs for Wavelegth Magazine. He mentioned he had been "following" my > writings, and said that the Trial Island story had caused him to think, > "Doug sure can spin a good yarn". You know, I really did not want to see > that story published, because it was so unbelievable -- so many things went > wrong, *I* almost think it was made up reading it from a disassociative > perspective. I did call Matt Broze about the incident. He felt it should be > retold, as there were some good lessons to be learned, even if it wasn't > normal touring kayaking. I agree with Matt and appreciate your sharing your stories with us. There are those lessons I'd much rather be learning from someone else's experience than first-hand :-) Thanks, Doug. Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug L wrote: > The 3 foot bungy line that Matt Broze describes on his web sight works > well, and does double duty as a paddle float rescue tether. Of the systems This is the type paddle leash I used to carry with me. I still carry it coiled up on my deck if there is a slight chance conditions might turn bad. I used to attach it religiously every time I went out, but found I was often stumbling over it as I tried to enter/exit the kayak. Mine is a commercial version with the velcro, so this talk about how poorly velcro performs when the you know what hits the fan has me rethinking its usefulness. I should caveat this by saying I don't normally paddle in real rough water/conditions. Rough water to me is 15-20 MPH winds across a 3-4 mile fetch of water (2-3 foot waves). This may not be enough to undo the velcro. On the other hand, I've been reading with interest about tethering one's self to the kayak. I've read here in paddlewise of folks tethering to the boat and their tow belt. Question: why not use the tow belt rope to tether if you are going to do that? What would be the dangers involved? Is the rope too long? Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Robert Woodard wrote: > > Doug L wrote: > > > The 3 foot bungy line that Matt Broze describes on his web sight works > > well, and does double duty as a paddle float rescue tether. Of the systems > > This is the type paddle leash I used to carry with me. I still carry it > coiled up on my deck if there is a slight chance conditions might turn bad. > I used to attach it religiously every time I went out, but found I was often > stumbling over it as I tried to enter/exit the kayak. Mine is a commercial > version with the velcro, so this talk about how poorly velcro performs when > the you know what hits the fan has me rethinking its usefulness. I have read with great interest how some paddlers have the paddle tether handy but don't employ it. I tend to use my paddle leash (connected to a deck D-ring) all of the time, mainly because I do paddle solo a lot and fear losing my paddle. It resides on my paddle and weighs next to nothing and does not get in the way in any way. It is hardly ever not connected. For example, if I am launching from a dock, the paddle is tethered to the D-ring before I get; the paddle rests on the dock parallel to my boat's direction and enough away from the cockpit not to get in my way. I tend hardly ever to use the paddle behind my back routine for entering my boat. The paddle on the dock laid parallel to my boat's direction acts as a dock fixture to provide extra insurance that my boat won't quickly slip out from under me as I enter; i.e. if I am not getting in well and need to get back up on the dock to adjust myself better, my boat won't stray. I do the same when exiting the boat, most of the time. All of this depends on the height of the dock and how much it is bouncing with wakes and wind waves. You haven't lived until you have tried scampering up on a two foot high dock that is bucking like a sea serpent! ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph D wrote: > I have read with great interest how some paddlers have the paddle tether > handy but don't employ it. I tend to use my paddle leash (connected to > a deck D-ring) all of the time, mainly because I do paddle solo a lot > and fear losing my paddle. It resides on my paddle and weighs next to > nothing and does not get in the way in any way. Interesting stuff Ralph. I would have thought getting in/out from a dock would be much more likely to tangle into a leash than getting in/out from shore. But somehow, I've managed to trip over or get tangled in my leash too many times to admit to. Of course, the prudent thing for me would be to just remove it as I come close to shore. I also paddle with a Greenland stick and like Chuck, find the paddle leash does interfere with paddling, especially extended paddle strokes. On the other hand, when I really like to be able to just lay the paddle in the water while doing something else and not have to worry about it floating away. I also think you're more likely to paddle in rougher conditions than I do. I'm more likely to tether my paddle when paddling, say, the Chesapeake Bay than the upper Potomac river (which is 80% of my paddling). That's not to say I wouldn't be more likely than you to loose a paddle (I have once or twice), but that the conditions would be a bit more favorable for me to recover it by paddling with my hands or just grabbing half the spare on my rear deck to go get it. After tripping over the blasted thing for about the third time getting out of the boat, I pretty much quite using it unless heading out in rougher conditions. How about those tethers what attach to your PFD? I've seen several people use those and it seems to eliminate the tangling when getting in/out, and I think it would be easier just to unclip it from your PFD once you get out. Any hazard that I'm not thinking about? One final thought: My greatest fear is losing the kayak rather than the paddle. The boat has a spare paddle on the back deck, but I don't have a spare kayak if I get separated from it. That is why my interest in tethering oneself to the kayak. Up until this thread started I just *assumed* it was a very bad thing to do. I've practiced trying to get the kayak back after intentionally losing it (this wasn't one of my solo trips 8^). In light winds or mild current it is very hard to catch up to the kayak. I've even experimented with "paddling" with my paddle to try and catch up to the boat (a little faster than swimming, but *very* strenuous and I could only do it for a short length of time). But again, it didn't take much wind for the kayak to out run me. In practice I found the best thing was to immediately go after the kayak. Drop the paddle if you're holding on to it, you can probably swim for it much easier than the boat, so only go for it after you get the kayak back. The paddle will slow you down if you try to hold on to it while chasing the boat. Of course, you have to worry only about the boat if your paddle is tethered to it. Anyhow, that is from my limited experimentation. I'd like to read your thoughts on getting separated from the kayak. Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 17:51 9/14/99 -0400, "Robert Woodard" <woodardr_at_tidalwave.net> wrote: >Ralph D wrote: > >> I have read with great interest how some paddlers have the paddle tether >> handy but don't employ it. I tend to use my paddle leash (connected to >> a deck D-ring) all of the time, mainly because I do paddle solo a lot >> and fear losing my paddle. It resides on my paddle and weighs next to >> nothing and does not get in the way in any way. [snip] >One final thought: My greatest fear is losing the kayak rather than the >paddle. The boat has a spare paddle on the back deck, but I don't have a >spare kayak if I get separated from it. That is why my interest in tethering >oneself to the kayak. [snip] >Anyhow, that is from my limited experimentation. I'd like to read your >thoughts on getting separated from the kayak. > >Woody from my very limited experience in sea kayaks... in a canoe, if you turn it [the boat] upside down, nothing should hang below the gunwales... i have only seen people leash their paddle to their boat, feeling they might let go of the boat, but since the paddle was in their hands, they did not have to THINK, they just held tight. the less people have to THINK when doo doo hits... mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Robert Woodard wrote: > > Ralph D wrote: > > Interesting stuff Ralph. I would have thought getting in/out from a dock > would be much more likely to tangle into a leash than getting in/out from > shore. But somehow, I've managed to trip over or get tangled in my leash too > many times to admit to. No actually, a paddle leash holding the paddle on the dock is a nice semi-tieup for your boat as you enter or exit it. But you can't use your paddle as a crutch behind you to help get into the boat. That technique, paddle behind you is a paddle killer. > > Of course, the prudent thing for me would be to just remove it as I come > close to shore. I also paddle with a Greenland stick and like Chuck, find > the paddle leash does interfere with paddling, especially extended paddle > strokes. On the other hand, when I really like to be able to just lay the > paddle in the water while doing something else and not have to worry about > it floating away. Go Euro, not Greenland. Leave the latter for the natives and wannabes. :-) > > I also think you're more likely to paddle in rougher conditions than I do. > I'm more likely to tether my paddle when paddling, say, the Chesapeake Bay > than the upper Potomac river (which is 80% of my paddling). That's not to > say I wouldn't be more likely than you to loose a paddle (I have once or > twice), but that the conditions would be a bit more favorable for me to > recover it by paddling with my hands or just grabbing half the spare on my > rear deck to go get it. I am a worry-wort and rather have the thing tied on always. You never know when it may slip away from you and not be so accessible to you. More importantly, if you were to go over and had the good sense to hang on to your paddle, you also will have your boat. > > After tripping over the blasted thing for about the third time getting out > of the boat, I pretty much quite using it unless heading out in rougher > conditions. It depends on the boat. Some are easier to exit than others and the paddle leash will not get in the way in them. > > How about those tethers what attach to your PFD? I've seen several people > use those and it seems to eliminate the tangling when getting in/out, and I > think it would be easier just to unclip it from your PFD once you get out. > Any hazard that I'm not thinking about? Like those that attach to your wrist, the tether to PFD may leave you one day without a boat. The tether of paddle with boat makes certain that if you can hang on to one or the other you also have the other. > > One final thought: My greatest fear is losing the kayak rather than the > paddle. The boat has a spare paddle on the back deck, but I don't have a > spare kayak if I get separated from it. That is why my interest in tethering > oneself to the kayak. Up until this thread started I just *assumed* it was a > very bad thing to do. I've practiced trying to get the kayak back after > intentionally losing it (this wasn't one of my solo trips 8^). In light > winds or mild current it is very hard to catch up to the kayak. I've even > experimented with "paddling" with my paddle to try and catch up to the boat > (a little faster than swimming, but *very* strenuous and I could only do it > for a short length of time). But again, it didn't take much wind for the > kayak to out run me. In practice I found the best thing was to immediately > go after the kayak. Drop the paddle if you're holding on to it, you can > probably swim for it much easier than the boat, so only go for it after you > get the kayak back. The paddle will slow you down if you try to hold on to > it while chasing the boat. Of course, you have to worry only about the boat > if your paddle is tethered to it. Yeah, I had not thought of tethering oneself to one's boat. This string of postings has been an eyeopener in how many respected paddlers tether them selves to their boats. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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