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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>
subject: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:17:03 -0700
Regarding experiences with tether lines:

1. Paddle Tethers
I've been playing around with these things for years. During winter storm
paddling, the loss of my main paddle would be tantamount to disaster when
solo in the rougher stuff. Yes, I do carry a spare set of paddles on the
rear deck, but does anyone really think even one half could be retrieved
off the rear deck 100% of the time, while upside down?

I did dump one time in high winds/seas; yes, it is true that I was out
there on purpose, but it is entirely possible that someone could be caught
in rough stuff accidently. I rolled so many times in the frigid waters
without success, that by the time I wet exited and surfaced and regained
composure, my paddle had separated from my kayak, with me half way between
each item. I stupidly went for the paddle, and lost my boat and means of
immediate return to land. It was a long, cold swim. I've used tether ever
since.

The 3 foot bungy line that Matt Broze describes on his web sight works
well, and does double duty as a paddle float rescue tether. Of the systems
I've experimented with, this has been my favorite. However, a couple of
years ago, North Water came out with a coiled model leash, so I had to buy
the new toy. Other versions are available from different companies, I
believe. It works well, and my slim deck bag helps absorb the clack-clack
on deck. What I don't like about the leash is that during hard maneuvers in
tide rips, eddies, etc,  the velcro does not have enough circumferential
bind, and the leash refuses to stay in the middle of the shaft, as it
slingshots back and forth, hitting each hand alternatively. The guys I
rough water paddle with all use wrist tethers. They also carry them, ready
to use, on the open coast, if the wind picks up, etc. 

During the Storm Island rescue in April, we had a number of occasions where
we rafted up in extremely exhausted, dehydrated states. After rehydrating
about the third time, we separated, attempting to get the bows back into
the wind. Was I ever surprised to see my paddle floating away, having come
undone due to the jostling of boats. I was able to grab the paddle and do a
half put across roll. I never mentioned this is my narrative I gave Matt
for the upcoming Sea Kayaker Magazine article, as I figured it was not too
important, and that the leash failure was a remote happening. But, as I
talk to others, I'm finding out that velcro suffers many problems when used
in a water environment under pressure. Sorry to keep bringing up this Storm
Island stuff, but it did test some of our gear to the max. Anyway, I heard
via the grape vine that Nigel Foster may be doing an article on tethers,
which should prove interesting.

2. Personal Tethers
Audrey Sutherlands decision to use a boat to person tether simply
highlights the highly inherent risks associated with solo paddling. There
are a number of long crossings on the Alaskan routes, where winds can come
up well before finishing the crossing. I also use a tether line for all
long crossings. I also use it for all high wind paddling. Though I never
use one while playing in surf or rock gardens, playing in moving water is
still a dilemma, especially where tidal effects are mixed with high wind
hazards.

My article in Sea Kayaker described how I was entangled in my personal
tether line, preventing me from swimming to my back-eddy refuge. I wished I
had not put the line on that day, yet, if I had lost the kayak, it could
have been a different outcome. Unlike my previous incident, this was not a
lee shore beach situation. What's the answer? Don't paddle challenging
conditions alone? What if you are separated from your friend or buddies?
I'll continue to keep mine. 

I did get rid of my old tether line after the Trial Island thing. I now
simply use my short river equipment rescue tow line, which has a bit of
slack in it. I clip it to my deck, and can undo the harness if needed with
the front buckle release. The short tow line is made from bright yellow web
strap, which I feel is far superior to rope (my previous tether line). I
also try to avoid wind/tide combinations if too rough, these days.

As an aside, I was speaking to the president of a large kayaking
association the other day, seeking his permission about an upcoming article
on clubs for Wavelegth Magazine. He mentioned he had been "following" my
writings, and said that the Trial Island story had caused him to think,
"Doug sure can spin a good yarn". You know, I really did not want to see
that story published, because it was so unbelievable -- so many things went
wrong, *I* almost think it was made up reading it from a disassociative
perspective. I did call Matt Broze about the incident. He felt it should be
retold, as there were some good lessons to be learned, even if it wasn't
normal touring kayaking. 

Well, you all have better things to do than listen to my dribble...so, kept
your dogs leashed, but as far as paddles and kayaks, that's a totally
individual choice with no right or wrong.

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd   
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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 02:12:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca>

<large snip>

> As an aside, I was speaking to the president of a large kayaking
> association the other day, seeking his permission about an upcoming article
> on clubs for Wavelegth Magazine. He mentioned he had been "following" my
> writings, and said that the Trial Island story had caused him to think,
> "Doug sure can spin a good yarn". You know, I really did not want to see
> that story published, because it was so unbelievable -- so many things went
> wrong, *I* almost think it was made up reading it from a disassociative
> perspective. I did call Matt Broze about the incident. He felt it should be
> retold, as there were some good lessons to be learned, even if it wasn't
> normal touring kayaking. 


I agree with Matt and appreciate your sharing your stories with us.
There are those lessons I'd much rather be learning from someone else's 
experience than first-hand :-)

Thanks, Doug.

Cheers,

Jackie

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From: Robert Woodard <woodardr_at_tidalwave.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:45:22 -0400
Doug L wrote:


> The 3 foot bungy line that Matt Broze describes on his web sight works
> well, and does double duty as a paddle float rescue tether. Of the systems

This is the type paddle leash I used to carry with me. I still carry it
coiled up on my deck if there is a slight chance conditions might turn bad.
I used to attach it religiously every time I went out, but found I was often
stumbling over it as I tried to enter/exit the kayak. Mine is a commercial
version with the velcro, so this talk about how poorly velcro performs when
the you know what hits the fan has me rethinking its usefulness.

I should caveat this by saying I don't normally paddle in real rough
water/conditions. Rough water to me is 15-20 MPH winds across a 3-4 mile
fetch of water (2-3 foot waves). This may not be enough to undo the velcro.

On the other hand, I've been reading with interest about tethering one's
self to the kayak. I've read here in paddlewise of folks tethering to the
boat and their tow belt. Question: why not use the tow belt rope to tether
if you are going to do that? What would be the dangers involved? Is the rope
too long?

Woody


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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue & Solo Paddling
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 08:34:45 -0700
Robert Woodard wrote:
> 
> Doug L wrote:
> 
> > The 3 foot bungy line that Matt Broze describes on his web sight works
> > well, and does double duty as a paddle float rescue tether. Of the systems
> 
> This is the type paddle leash I used to carry with me. I still carry it
> coiled up on my deck if there is a slight chance conditions might turn bad.
> I used to attach it religiously every time I went out, but found I was often
> stumbling over it as I tried to enter/exit the kayak. Mine is a commercial
> version with the velcro, so this talk about how poorly velcro performs when
> the you know what hits the fan has me rethinking its usefulness.


I have read with great interest how some paddlers have the paddle tether
handy but don't employ it.  I tend to use my paddle leash (connected to
a deck D-ring) all of the time, mainly because I do paddle solo a lot
and fear losing my paddle.  It resides on my paddle and weighs next to
nothing and does not get in the way in any way.

It is hardly ever not connected.  For example, if I am launching from a
dock, the paddle is tethered to the D-ring before I get; the paddle
rests on the dock parallel to my boat's direction and enough away from
the cockpit not to get in my way.  I tend hardly ever to use the paddle
behind my back routine for entering my boat.  The paddle on the dock
laid parallel to my boat's direction acts as a dock fixture to provide
extra insurance that my boat won't quickly slip out from under me as I
enter; i.e. if I am not getting in well and need to get back up on the
dock to adjust myself better, my boat won't stray.  I do the same when
exiting the boat, most of the time.

All of this depends on the height of the dock and how much it is
bouncing with wakes and wind waves.  You haven't lived until you have
tried scampering up on a two foot high dock that is bucking like a sea
serpent!

ralph



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From: Robert Woodard <woodardr_at_tidalwave.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue & Solo Paddling
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:51:41 -0400
Ralph D wrote:

> I have read with great interest how some paddlers have the paddle tether
> handy but don't employ it.  I tend to use my paddle leash (connected to
> a deck D-ring) all of the time, mainly because I do paddle solo a lot
> and fear losing my paddle.  It resides on my paddle and weighs next to
> nothing and does not get in the way in any way.

Interesting stuff Ralph. I would have thought getting in/out from a dock
would be much more likely to tangle into a leash than getting in/out from
shore. But somehow, I've managed to trip over or get tangled in my leash too
many times to admit to.

Of course, the prudent thing for me would be to just remove it as I come
close to shore. I also paddle with a Greenland stick and like Chuck, find
the paddle leash does interfere with paddling, especially extended paddle
strokes. On the other hand, when I really like to be able to just lay the
paddle in the water while doing something else and not have to worry about
it floating away.

I also think you're more likely to paddle in rougher conditions than I do.
I'm more likely to tether my paddle when paddling, say, the Chesapeake Bay
than the upper Potomac river (which is 80% of my paddling). That's not to
say I wouldn't be more likely than you to loose a paddle (I have once or
twice), but that the conditions would be a bit more favorable for me to
recover it by paddling with my hands or just grabbing half the spare on my
rear deck to go get it.

After tripping over the blasted thing for about the third time getting out
of the boat, I pretty much quite using it unless heading out in rougher
conditions.

How about those tethers what attach to your PFD? I've seen several people
use those and it seems to eliminate the tangling when getting in/out, and I
think it would be easier just to unclip it from your PFD once you get out.
Any hazard that I'm not thinking about?

One final thought: My greatest fear is losing the kayak rather than the
paddle. The boat has a spare paddle on the back deck, but I don't have a
spare kayak if I get separated from it. That is why my interest in tethering
oneself to the kayak. Up until this thread started I just *assumed* it was a
very bad thing to do. I've practiced trying to get the kayak back after
intentionally losing it (this wasn't one of my solo trips 8^). In light
winds or mild current it is very hard to catch up to the kayak. I've even
experimented with "paddling" with my paddle to try and catch up to the boat
(a little faster than swimming, but *very* strenuous and I could only do it
for a short length of time). But again, it didn't take much wind for the
kayak to out run me. In practice I found the best thing was to immediately
go after the kayak. Drop the paddle if you're holding on to it, you can
probably swim for it much easier than the boat, so only go for it after you
get the kayak back. The paddle will slow you down if you try to hold on to
it while chasing the boat. Of course, you  have to worry only about the boat
if your paddle is tethered to it.

Anyhow, that is from my limited experimentation. I'd like to read your
thoughts on getting separated from the kayak.

Woody


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From: Mark Zen <canoeist_at_netbox.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue & Solo Paddling
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:29:40 +0000
At 17:51 9/14/99 -0400, "Robert Woodard" <woodardr_at_tidalwave.net> wrote:
>Ralph D wrote:
>
>> I have read with great interest how some paddlers have the paddle tether
>> handy but don't employ it.  I tend to use my paddle leash (connected to
>> a deck D-ring) all of the time, mainly because I do paddle solo a lot
>> and fear losing my paddle.  It resides on my paddle and weighs next to
>> nothing and does not get in the way in any way.
[snip]
>One final thought: My greatest fear is losing the kayak rather than the
>paddle. The boat has a spare paddle on the back deck, but I don't have a
>spare kayak if I get separated from it. That is why my interest in tethering
>oneself to the kayak.
[snip]
>Anyhow, that is from my limited experimentation. I'd like to read your
>thoughts on getting separated from the kayak.
>
>Woody

from my very limited experience in sea kayaks... in a canoe, if you turn it
[the boat] upside down, nothing should hang below the gunwales... i have
only seen people leash their paddle to their boat, feeling they might let go 
of the boat, but since the paddle was in their hands, they did not have to
THINK, they just held tight. the less people have to THINK when doo doo hits...

mark

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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Tangled Up In Blue & Solo Paddling
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:24:09 -0700
Robert Woodard wrote:
> 
> Ralph D wrote:


> 
> Interesting stuff Ralph. I would have thought getting in/out from a dock
> would be much more likely to tangle into a leash than getting in/out from
> shore. But somehow, I've managed to trip over or get tangled in my leash too
> many times to admit to.

No actually, a paddle leash holding the paddle on the dock is a nice
semi-tieup for your boat as you enter or exit it.  But you can't use
your paddle as a crutch behind you to help get into the boat.  That
technique, paddle behind you is a paddle killer.

> 
> Of course, the prudent thing for me would be to just remove it as I come
> close to shore. I also paddle with a Greenland stick and like Chuck, find
> the paddle leash does interfere with paddling, especially extended paddle
> strokes. On the other hand, when I really like to be able to just lay the
> paddle in the water while doing something else and not have to worry about
> it floating away.

Go Euro, not Greenland.  Leave the latter for the natives and wannabes. 
:-)

> 
> I also think you're more likely to paddle in rougher conditions than I do.
> I'm more likely to tether my paddle when paddling, say, the Chesapeake Bay
> than the upper Potomac river (which is 80% of my paddling). That's not to
> say I wouldn't be more likely than you to loose a paddle (I have once or
> twice), but that the conditions would be a bit more favorable for me to
> recover it by paddling with my hands or just grabbing half the spare on my
> rear deck to go get it.

I am a worry-wort and rather have the thing tied on always.  You never
know when it may slip away from you and not be so accessible to you. 
More importantly, if you were to go over and had the good sense to hang
on to your paddle, you also will have your boat.

> 
> After tripping over the blasted thing for about the third time getting out
> of the boat, I pretty much quite using it unless heading out in rougher
> conditions.

It depends on the boat.  Some are easier to exit than others and the
paddle leash will not get in the way in them.

> 
> How about those tethers what attach to your PFD? I've seen several people
> use those and it seems to eliminate the tangling when getting in/out, and I
> think it would be easier just to unclip it from your PFD once you get out.
> Any hazard that I'm not thinking about?

Like those that attach to your wrist, the tether to PFD may leave you
one day without a boat.  The tether of paddle with boat makes certain
that if you can hang on to one or the other you also have the other.

> 
> One final thought: My greatest fear is losing the kayak rather than the
> paddle. The boat has a spare paddle on the back deck, but I don't have a
> spare kayak if I get separated from it. That is why my interest in tethering
> oneself to the kayak. Up until this thread started I just *assumed* it was a
> very bad thing to do. I've practiced trying to get the kayak back after
> intentionally losing it (this wasn't one of my solo trips 8^). In light
> winds or mild current it is very hard to catch up to the kayak. I've even
> experimented with "paddling" with my paddle to try and catch up to the boat
> (a little faster than swimming, but *very* strenuous and I could only do it
> for a short length of time). But again, it didn't take much wind for the
> kayak to out run me. In practice I found the best thing was to immediately
> go after the kayak. Drop the paddle if you're holding on to it, you can
> probably swim for it much easier than the boat, so only go for it after you
> get the kayak back. The paddle will slow you down if you try to hold on to
> it while chasing the boat. Of course, you  have to worry only about the boat
> if your paddle is tethered to it.

Yeah, I had not thought of tethering oneself to one's boat.  This string
of postings has been an eyeopener in how many respected paddlers tether
them selves to their boats.

ralph diaz
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