I'm forwarding this to PaddleWise as I'm sure it was intended for the list and not really the "owner" since she doesn't know squat about this but is certainly looking forward to the trip report :-) ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From owner-owner_at_ns1.intelenet.net Mon Sep 20 08:11 PDT 1999 To: owner-paddlewise_at_ns1.intelenet.net From: F.SOETHE_at_OLN.comlink.apc.org (Ferdinand Soethe) Subject: Using oil and wax on wooden frame? Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:18:40 +0000 X-Gateway: ZCONNECT sonne.comlink.apc.org [OdoConnect v0.76MB05#9] I just bought my first folding kayak (a Nautiraid double with a wooden frame) and did a nice trip around the Italien island of Elba with it (report coming as soon as I get to finish it). Now the paint has been scraped off the frame where the pieces are connected and I need to renew the protectice coating. I'm wondering, if I couldn't just apply wood oil and wax rather then normal paint, the advantage being that oil will pentrate the wood and protect even when the surface gets scratched. The same question applies to a small dent in my wooden paddle. Has anybody tried that or knows why you should or shouldn't do it? Thanks, Ferdinand ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ferdinand Soethe o, o__ o_/| o_. Wollkaemmerei 8 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ D-30519 Hannover (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\- Germany ph +49-511-9845437 mobile +49-171-1403591 email f.soethe_at_apc.de ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End Included Message ----- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ferdinand, You will, I am sure get lots of opinions about this. Mine is: 1. The best protective is Marine Urethane Varnish. The brand is not as important as it being Marine grade. 2. The varnish should be thinned using the instructions on the can for the first coat and then a second coat full strength. For even more protection, try a third coat. The frame pieces at the attach points will not use much and you might as well really protect the wood well. What else would you do with the remaining varnish? :-) 3. The thinned coat will penetrate better than the oil finish you suggest. 4. You can use the oil and wax method but the life of this method is pretty limited, even worse in a salt water environment. 5. The urethane is really a plastic and in sufficient thickness, is the best protectant for wood in a marine environment if you get the marine version. 6. Welcome to the world of foldable kayaks. I have a K-Light with aspirations toward adding a K-1, both by Feathercraft. Paddle on dude! =^..^= --Mel-- Mel Lammers mslammers_at_earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net> To: <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Cc: <F.SOETHE_at_OLN.comlink.apc.org> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: [Paddlewise] Using oil and wax on wooden frame? > I'm forwarding this to PaddleWise as I'm sure it was intended for > the list and not really the "owner" since she doesn't know squat about > this but is certainly looking forward to the trip report :-) > > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > >From owner-owner_at_ns1.intelenet.net Mon Sep 20 08:11 PDT 1999 > To: owner-paddlewise_at_ns1.intelenet.net > From: F.SOETHE_at_OLN.comlink.apc.org (Ferdinand Soethe) > Subject: Using oil and wax on wooden frame? > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:18:40 +0000 > X-Gateway: ZCONNECT sonne.comlink.apc.org [OdoConnect v0.76MB05#9] > > > I just bought my first folding kayak (a Nautiraid double with a > wooden frame) and did a nice trip around the Italien island of > Elba with it (report coming as soon as I get to finish it). > > Now the paint has been scraped off the frame where the pieces are > connected and I need to renew the protectice coating. > > I'm wondering, if I couldn't just apply wood oil and wax rather > then normal paint, the advantage being that oil will pentrate the > wood and protect even when the surface gets scratched. > > The same question applies to a small dent in my wooden paddle. > > Has anybody tried that or knows why you should or shouldn't do it? > > Thanks, > Ferdinand > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ferdinand Soethe o, o__ o_/| o_. > Wollkaemmerei 8 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ > D-30519 Hannover (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\- > Germany > > ph +49-511-9845437 mobile +49-171-1403591 email f.soethe_at_apc.de > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- End Included Message ----- > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> >From owner-owner_at_ns1.intelenet.net Mon Sep 20 08:11 PDT 1999 > To: owner-paddlewise_at_ns1.intelenet.net > From: F.SOETHE_at_OLN.comlink.apc.org (Ferdinand Soethe) > Subject: Using oil and wax on wooden frame? > Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 11:18:40 +0000 > X-Gateway: ZCONNECT sonne.comlink.apc.org [OdoConnect v0.76MB05#9] > > I just bought my first folding kayak (a Nautiraid double with a > wooden frame) and did a nice trip around the Italien island of > Elba with it (report coming as soon as I get to finish it). > > Now the paint has been scraped off the frame where the pieces are > connected and I need to renew the protectice coating. > > I'm wondering, if I couldn't just apply wood oil and wax rather > then normal paint, the advantage being that oil will pentrate the > wood and protect even when the surface gets scratched. > > The same question applies to a small dent in my wooden paddle. > > Has anybody tried that or knows why you should or shouldn't do it? > > Thanks, > Ferdinand Mel Lammers gives sound advice on the varnish approach to these spots. But if the spots that have rubbed off are not too large, you can do the oil routine you mention. If you go the varnish route, be real careful with the Nautiraid to do only a thin recoating. If the worn spots are just where the long wooden square rods meet the open notches in the wooden crossframes, a slightly overly done varnishing should be no problem. But if you are revarnishing where the long wooden square rods are joined inside hinges or where wooden square rod ends join at the middle of the boat in a a brass fitting, then you need to keep the varnish coating quite thin. Otherwise the wood will not be able to enter the fitting or will get stuck inside. Generally, I wouldn't worry about the varnishing or the oiling. Nothing really happens to the wood unless you leave bilge water in the boat all the time. And anyway, the Nautiraids leak the least of all the folding kayaks. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ralf Diaz wrote > If you go the varnish route, be real careful with the Nautiraid to do > only a thin recoating. If the worn spots are just where the long wooden > square rods meet the open notches in the wooden crossframes, a slightly > overly done varnishing should be no problem. But if you are > revarnishing where the long wooden square rods are joined > inside hinges or where wooden square rod ends join at the middle of the > boat in a a brass fitting, then you need to keep the varnish coating > quite thin. Otherwise the wood will not be able to enter the fitting > or will get stuck inside. Yep, it is indeed the ends of the long wooden square rods where the varnish has come off. I guess it is because they are so tightly fitted in the first place. That's why I thought of a rub-resistant approach like oiling. > Generally, I wouldn't worry about the varnishing or the oiling. Nothing > really happens to the wood unless you leave bilge water in the boat all > the time. And anyway, the Nautiraids leak the least of all the folding > kayaks. True, in our experience the Nautiraid (so far) doesn't leak at all. But the water we brought in when getting into the boat stayed there all day and has visibly discolored the wooden ends. What I can't tell is, when discoloration ends and corosion of the woods begins. Regards, Ferdinand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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