As usual Doug is always looking for that one cloud on a clear day. This years symposium was just as good as previous years. Yes, there are the occasional glitches especially in registration when 40-50 people show up all at once and want to get registered. Everything is fairly well organized there. As for the food, I will be the first one to say it isn't a four star hotel. The food was OK, not great but, eh you are trying to feed hundreds of people and they do have to know ahead of time so there will be enough. This year the restaurant tried something different instead of the old take a try and filler up, they sat everyone at tables and they were served. At first I thought this was rather dumb, as the weekend went on I began to like it. I found I was able to meet a lot more people than I usually did because you are often sitting with half a dozen strangers and you begin to talk. Yes there is a lot of childishness going on with the boat manufacturers, it is unfortunate that they don't participate. Quite frankly in all the years I have been there I can't remember every seeing Mariner Kayaks represented. It is too bad. As for the signage and the buildings, it was alright one just had to remember that the event only had a couple anyway so unless you are a complete dummy one couldn't get lost. The Friday and Saturday night slide shows had a lot to be desired, I fell asleep during Tom Roshon's talk. So all in all the event was good and I do not have anything to do with TAPS, the organization that sponsors the event. So Doug, stop pissing on a sunny day!!! Kirby *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would agree that my post was somewhat negative. Actually, I had limited exposure to some of these situations, such as the reasturant thing. Also, I had nothing to compare it to, as I have not been recently. My post did indicate that my report was based on my own observation. Those observations also include the comments I heard about me, as I tried to keep my ear to the ground. My comments about the food situation, the registration process, signage, and beach confusion were almost entirely from things others said to me or I overhear. So, Kirby's comments cause me to say, "Hey, don't piss on the messanger - know what I mean? Anyway, the volunteers who organized and ran the event should be praised for their hard work and tireless efforts. I should have mentioned this in my report, but I had my head up in the cloud :-) BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd At 07:23 AM 9/21/99 -0700, you wrote: >As usual Doug is always looking for that one cloud on a clear day. > >This years symposium was just as good as previous years. Yes, there are the occasional glitches especially in registration when 40-50 people show up all at once and want to get registered. Everything is fairly well organized there. As for the food, I will be the first one to say it isn't a four star hotel. The food was OK, not great but, eh you are trying to feed hundreds of people and they do have to know ahead of time so there will be enough. This year the restaurant tried something different instead of the old take a try and filler up, they sat everyone at tables and they were served. At first I thought this was rather dumb, as the weekend went on I began to like it. I found I was able to meet a lot more people than I usually did because you are often sitting with half a dozen strangers and you begin to talk. > >Yes there is a lot of childishness going on with the boat manufacturers, it is unfortunate that they don't participate. Quite frankly in all the years I have been there I can't remember every seeing Mariner Kayaks represented. It is too bad. > >As for the signage and the buildings, it was alright one just had to remember that the event only had a couple anyway so unless you are a complete dummy one couldn't get lost. > >The Friday and Saturday night slide shows had a lot to be desired, I fell asleep during Tom Roshon's talk. > >So all in all the event was good and I do not have anything to do with TAPS, the organization that sponsors the event. > >So Doug, stop pissing on a sunny day!!! > >Kirby > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kirby wrote: >So Doug, stop pissing on a sunny day!!! And Doug replied: I would agree that my post was somewhat negative. And now FWIW, Sandy comments: I was very frustrated trying to get preliminary info from TAPS, considering the fact that I was planning a cross country trip. They were less than helpful at the time I was needing to make plane reservations. During the East Coast event over the last four years, I have made friends with many of the symposia circuit presenters and the consensus is that the PT event is well attended and earns high marks from the attendees, but less organized compared to others. Maybe high volume has an impact here. I don't know. But Doug's remarks rang true and I appreciated them, without getting a dogged impression of the PT event as a whole. Heck, a bunch of people gathered together at a fabulous location to celebrate the sport of kayaking? I'd travel to Podunk or even Mudville Flats for that! I'll shut up now. :) Sandy in SC, so yes, I'm automatically partial to the Charleston symposium in April *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I had the best experience yet (been attending 11-12 years): spent all 3 days teaching on the water (3 classes a day). I did NOT attend any indoor functions including: indoor classes (except for fish painting on the pier), official evening events, or WCSKS "food" "service". Eric *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] WCSKS 99 >> > I would agree that my post was somewhat negative. Actually, I had limited >> >> Personally, I'd rather see your honest comments than Kirby's comments >> on your comments. >> >> Keep on contributing, Doug, and ignore Kirby's sniping. Hey gang, Kirby's comments were okay - his bark is worse than his bite. I was a little upset though, when Kirby said that dealers who didn't attend were a bit childish. I hope no one feels that is my feeling too. I was simply disappointed that Matt/Cam weren't there with their kayaks, as I would have loved to have tried them out; same with Seda and Eddyline. If Matt doesn't want to bring his boats, that is *his* choice. Maybe he has good reasons. I'll just have to make the "pilgrimage" to mecca (Seattle) sometime soon. I hear it is a religious experience. In the meantime, I shall bow four times a day, in this case, South!!! BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, I'm not sure why you cc'd me on this as the below comment was not made by me. Also, I didn't see this on the list. Was this private email to you that you have posted publicly? Jackie > From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_bc.sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] WCSKS 99 > Cc: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > >> } Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] WCSKS 99 > >> > I would agree that my post was somewhat negative. Actually, I had limited > >> > >> Personally, I'd rather see your honest comments than Kirby's comments > >> on your comments. > >> > >> Keep on contributing, Doug, and ignore Kirby's sniping. > > Hey gang, > > Kirby's comments were okay - his bark is worse than his bite. I was a > little upset though, when Kirby said that dealers who didn't attend were a > bit childish. I hope no one feels that is my feeling too. I was simply > disappointed that Matt/Cam weren't there with their kayaks, as I would have > loved to have tried them out; same with Seda and Eddyline. > > If Matt doesn't want to bring his boats, that is *his* choice. Maybe he has > good reasons. > > I'll just have to make the "pilgrimage" to mecca (Seattle) sometime soon. I > hear it is a religious experience. In the meantime, I shall bow four times > a day, in this case, South!!! > > BC'in Ya > Doug Lloyd > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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