Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:06:01 +0000 Ferdinand Soethe wrote: "True, in our experience the Nautiraid (so far) doesn't leak at all. But the water we brought in when getting into the boat stayed there all day and has visibly discolored the wooden ends. What I can't tell is, when discoloration ends and corosion of the woods begins. Regards, Ferdinand" Hi Ferdinand, thanks for the trip description. Keeping water and also sand and grit out of a folding kayak is a challenge for me also. I am concerned about the wear on the boat's skin when sand gets between the frame pieces and the covering fabric. Then the flexing of the boat over time could wear holes through the skin. So I am looking for a good sea sock (fabric tube-bag that attaches around the coaming and inserts into the cockpit, then you sit inside this). If you or any other Paddlewisers know one that is durable and comfortable for the Nautiraid kayaks, I would appreciate that information. Cheers, John *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Somers wrote: > > Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:06:01 +0000 > Ferdinand Soethe wrote: > > "True, in our experience the Nautiraid (so far) doesn't leak at all. But the > water we brought in when getting into the boat stayed there all day and has > visibly discolored the wooden ends. What I can't tell is, when discoloration > ends and corosion of the woods begins. > > Regards, > Ferdinand" > > Hi Ferdinand, thanks for the trip description. > Keeping water and also sand and grit out of a folding kayak is a challenge > for me also. I am concerned about the wear on the boat's skin when sand > gets between the frame pieces and the covering fabric. Then the flexing of > the boat over time could wear holes through the skin. You may be worrying too much. The hypalon hull is incredibly strong stuff. I have seen such damage only rarely, just once really. And only the patch that an owner put on later but I did not see the damage itself...I suspect it wasn't as bad as he thought. > So I am looking for > a good sea sock (fabric tube-bag that attaches around the coaming and > inserts into the cockpit, then you sit inside this). If you or any other > Paddlewisers know one that is durable and comfortable for the Nautiraid > kayaks, I would appreciate that information. SEDA sells seasocks that attach to cockpits of hardshells and single folding kayaks. These would fit on the Nautiraid single and the two cockpits of the doubles. ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Zur Nachricht vom 23. Sep 99 5:32 > John Somers wrote: > > Keeping water and also sand and grit out of a folding kayak is a challenge > > for me also. I am concerned about the wear on the boat's skin when sand > > gets between the frame pieces and the covering fabric. Then the flexing of > > the boat over time could wear holes through the skin. Actually, I'm worrying about that too. Even though Elba does have few sandy beaches, there was sand caught between frame and skin everywhere when we took the boat apart. And that was after we completely flooded the boat in a re-entry exercise, so I figure that it doesn't rinse out easily. In a German paddle book that offers lots of sound advice (as far as I can tell) they are worried for their Klepper as well and suggest to place a piece of tarp where you are seated. That seems a good idea to keep most of the sand and grid out and has additional use to place underneath your tent. A seasock sounds like an alternative, but I'm not sure how it works with steering cords and how you easily you can get to you bags and stuff. I'll have a look at one next time in the store. > You may be worrying too much. The hypalon hull is incredibly strong > stuff. I have seen such damage only rarely, just once really. And only > the patch that an owner put on later but I did not see the damage > itself...I suspect it wasn't as bad as he thought. Yes and no. Its true that I didn't notice any wear where the sand rubbed on the inside of the hull after two weeks. But I don't agree that Hypalon is such a tough material. After two weeks of carefull handling, we already had some visible scratches and little holes in the keel strips. Since that never happened to the hull of my old inflatable kanu (four years of use, lots of scraping across river bottoms), I'd say that hypalon in comparison is quite sensitive. > SEDA sells seasocks that attach to cockpits of hardshells and single > folding kayaks. These would fit on the Nautiraid single and the two > cockpits of the doubles. Thanks for that advice. I'll ask for that. Ferdinand *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: > > Zur Nachricht vom 23. Sep 99 5:32 > > > John Somers wrote: > > > > Keeping water and also sand and grit out of a folding kayak is a challenge > > > for me also. I am concerned about the wear on the boat's skin when sand > > > gets between the frame pieces and the covering fabric. Then the flexing of > > > the boat over time could wear holes through the skin. > > Actually, I'm worrying about that too. Even though Elba does have few sandy > beaches, there was sand caught between frame and skin everywhere when we took > the boat apart. And that was after we completely flooded the boat in a > re-entry exercise, so I figure that it doesn't rinse out easily. > > In a German paddle book that offers lots of sound advice (as far as I can tell) > they are worried for their Klepper as well and suggest to place a piece of > tarp where you are seated. That seems a good idea to keep most of the sand and > grid out and has additional use to place underneath your tent. >SNIP< Here is what I use in my folders, and it keeps all the tracked in water and sand "in its place". I cut a piece of material that is used for seat covers(vynal sp?), that is wide enough to cover the bottom and reach up the sides abit. It should be cut about 2" longer than the spacing of the ribs, frount to back, to fit between the two ribs, where you put your feet(so as to turn up 1" at each end, frount and back, against them). I now cut a piece of carpet that is "exactly" the same(frount to back)as the spacing of these two ribs, and just slightly more narrow(side to side) as the vynal. These two are glued together with contact cement. When you drop the affair into the boat it should "just" fit into the area between the two ribs, with the vynal sticking up 1", frount and back. I now have a bath tub effect. Any water or sand will be trapped in the carpet and cant't run through(the vynal)and only if it gets deeper than an inch, can it run over the ends. If this happens, you track in more than I do, or have had a less than perfect landing. The carpet makes for toasty feet in the winter and is extra padding in the bags. James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > When you drop the affair into the boat it should "just" fit into the area > between the two ribs, with the vynal sticking up 1", frount and back. I just measured mine and they stick up 2.5" at each end, instead of 1". Sorry about that. James *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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