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From: Peter Osman <PeterO_at_ambri.com.au>
subject: [Paddlewise] waterbuster modifications
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:40:23 +1000
G'Day,

I've been using a waterbuster in a Klepper foldable - its attached to a rib
behind the seat using a long strip of self adhesive velcro. This makes it
easy to use in a foldable and easy to remove and handover when others need
it, which has happened a couple of times. I don't worry about a permanent
fixture for the outlet, just drape it over the side when required - it
should also be possible to poke the outlet between the coaming and the
Klepper velcro attached spray skirt - The pump is a bit slow but was good
enough to help a mate in a bit of strife. 

All the best,	PeterO
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From: <JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterbuster modifications
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:07:46 EDT
Tried something similar to your scheme a year or so ago, Nick, but gave up on the Attwood because of all the complications with which it sounds like you're equipped to deal.  Good luck with the system.

My problem with the Waterbuster was that I felt it took an inordinately long time to empty my relatively small cockpit --- a VCP Pintail with a lot of added foam (footrest block, seatback, sides) and limited water during a re-entry and roll.  If the water's up to reasonable temps soon down your way, sure hope you'll let us know how it works in practice.  

Jack Martin
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From: Nick Gill <nicholas.gill_at_adfa.edu.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterbuster modifications
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:48:14 +1000
yes it does take a while to empty water out - I've got a skerray, also with signficant foam in the cockpit. It also leaves more water in the cockpit than I am entirely happy with. But I have it and am happy to not spend more $$s at the moment and its a neat, low maintenance pump.

If I get dissatisfied with it I'll probably end up with a rule type pump. I'm avoiding it at the moment as I'd rather not drill my rear bulkhead and run a a battery lead through it. However, some advice from tasmania, I believe the source (or at least a major innovator) of using such bilge pumps, is that you can use the 12v batteries mounted in the cockpit  no problem.
 
Any experience on this?

nick
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From: Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) <"Reeves,>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] waterbuster modifications
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:56:38 -0400
I just semi-installed mine this weekend (haven't quite figured out what to
do with the outlet hose).  I put in an artifical foam bulkhead (13" worth)
so that will be my new bulkhead will be my foot brace as well.  In the foam
I carved out the shape of the Waterbuster pump (I also carved out a notch
that will allow me to insert the end of the hand pump so that it will be
held in place under the deck).  I removed the bottom metal plate from the
pump and used a rasp to shape the bottom of the pump to the shape of the
hull.  Although it has not been through a trip test yet, on land I am easily
able to push the button on and off with my foot.  I chose not to position
the pump at the knee braces because the Anas Acuta would just be too hard to
get in and out of if I had to avoid the pump too.

Debbie Reeves
Sandy Hook, NJ
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From: Reeves, Debbie (Debbie) <"Reeves,>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] waterbuster modifications
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 11:37:40 -0400
Shoot!  It seemed to pump FAST in my kitchen sink, but I guess that can be
deceiving compared to the size of a cockpit.  I'm going to have to go out
this evening and do my practice run/trip test.

Debbie Reeves
Sandy Hook, NJ

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> From: 	JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com[SMTP:JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com]
> 
> My problem with the Waterbuster was that I felt it took an inordinately
> long time to empty my relatively small cockpit --- a VCP Pintail with a
> lot of added foam (footrest block, seatback, sides) and limited water
> during a re-entry and roll.  
> 
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From: Nick Gill <nicholas.gill_at_adfa.edu.au>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] waterbuster modifications
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:31:01 +1000
this is a good idea.
i tried putting it by my feet and found it too big, too hard to find the switch with booties on. but didn't think of carving a niche into the footrest etc. Not sure if it would work with my setup which has a piece of thin plywodd with footrests over the foam 'bulkhead'. But nonetheless a neat idea.

Assuming it works in that position, all you have to do is get the appropriate sized deck outlet from a marine shop, drill a hole for it and off you go. However,  the WB will allow water into the cockpit through the hose - it has no built in valve. I have a plug on a rope to plug the outlet, but mine is just behind my seat and I can reach it. If your outlet is down near your feet this is not possible. An alternative is to buy an inline one way valve for the hose. The only trouble is these make the small WB hose even smaller and constrict the flow. I measured the flow at a 15% reduction with an inline valve, that's why I went for the plug.

This would be another advantage of a rule type pump. Even if you put an inline valve in the flow would still be relatively high.

An alternative would be to extend the hose from the pump to behind your seat if possible, place the deck outlet there and use a plug. This is also good position if in the future you decide to install a rule pump which would sit nicely behind the seat. on the other hand an outlet up front is better if you opt for a foot pump in the future.

Of course outlet holes are not permanent and can be glassed over or plastic welded closed. My old foot pump outlet is welded closed. I placed some red (my boat is red) reflective tape from  a signwriters over it and you'd hardly know it ain't quite so pretty under there any more. 

nick
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