Hey everyone, I just purchased a new Metro and had a full Yakima rack installed to carry my three boats and a portage bike. - My trip this weekend with the rack on the Metro, three boats and a bike, I avg'd 70 mph and filled up yesterday for a total of 40mpg. My old pickup received 17 mpg boats on or not. This is a huge savings for me. Anyways, the other day, As I was pricing out the rack in the store, I was talking to a salesman (friend of mine) and he mentioned that the Yakima rep was in the store. So I hunted him down to question him about the rack problems we have discussed on the list. He has explanations for both the slippery bars and the roller/dent problems. 1. The slipping bars are caused by a high oil content in the synthetic bar coating. When you clamp it down, you squeeze out the oil. This problem was corrected in 96 so the last of the oily bars should have left all stores by 97-98. If your problematic bars are older than that, you can buy new ones. Or, if you are looking for a cheap slippage correction, cut away the plastic coating by your towers and replace with a thick layer of masking tape. He said this works great. 2. I presented my concerns about the unique pressure points created by the Sweet Roll system. I was concerned about my thinwalled Wavehopper deforming in heat, or just by sitting on the rack for an extended period. He simply advised me not to buy it as the cradles are better for thinwalled boats (duh). The gold in this is that Yakima is developing a new carrier system due out next spring that will carry boats with a lot more support than achieved by the cradles, they will be wider (more support) and have a litany of other features that I have already forgotten about. I am excited about this new carrier, and apologize for the lapse in memory. Thanks, Phil huck_at_mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu In a story related to my forgetfullness and unrelated to Yakima.... I am unable to further describe the racks, I had just learned about them when I had purchased my rack left the store and was placed under arrest. I was arrested yesterday on felony charges. I am accused of a hit and run vehicle accident on the other side of town that "somehow occured" while I was giving a midterm to my kayaking class. I am currently free, but I guess I am still scared, primarily because the driver pegged me as the guilty party. He gave complete description of me, face, hair, pickup color, make, model, rusty ladder rack on top, and some scratches on my truck that came from an accident 5 yrs ago. The cops are sure that I am the one. "Well, your story doesn't match up, but hey, if something jars your memory and you want to admit something we have detectives waiting to speak to you at the station." Basically, I am taking my class list to the station today, with all the phone numbers and telling them (respectfully) where to stick it. Man, they scared the hell out of me, taking me away from my wife and putting me in the back of their car in front of the whole damn neighborhood. Honestly, I kept asking if it was a joke my paddling buddies put them up to. I was completely caught off guard..."I did WHAT?!!" "Are you crazy?!?!" By the way, police do not like being called crazy. It only makes you look like the nutty one. Looking back, as a regular viewer of "Cops" on Fox, I only wish I was drunk, smoking and wearing a dirty T-shirt. It would take at least an hour for them to get me to stop throwing furniture from the roof. That way, all of you Paddlewisers could have seen the REAL me next Saturday night. BTW, if they would only give me a description of the bastard I supposedly hit, I would show him a real "accident". I was planning on selling that old truck anyway. At least my new kayak rack installed with no problems on my new Metro. I have enough stress in my life. Thanks for reading my vent. Phil Huck "cause I'm wanted, dead or alive" Bon Jovi, circa 1987. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
It's always better to be caught on film being arrested without any shirt or shoes on. Yeah - and don't shave or cut your hair for several months. And don't forget to be weeping and cursing. You get my vote for the story of the day award. The guy letting of flares in his bathroom is a close second though...... -----Original Message----- From: huck [mailto:huck_at_mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 1:52 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] Yakima roundbar slippage/new rack/felony Hey everyone, I just purchased a new Metro and had a full Yakima rack installed to carry my three boats and a portage bike. - My trip this weekend with the rack on the Metro, three boats and a bike, I avg'd 70 mph and filled up yesterday for a total of 40mpg. My old pickup received 17 mpg boats on or not. This is a huge savings for me. Anyways, the other day, As I was pricing out the rack in the store, I was talking to a salesman (friend of mine) and he mentioned that the Yakima rep was in the store. So I hunted him down to question him about the rack problems we have discussed on the list. He has explanations for both the slippery bars and the roller/dent problems. 1. The slipping bars are caused by a high oil content in the synthetic bar coating. When you clamp it down, you squeeze out the oil. This problem was corrected in 96 so the last of the oily bars should have left all stores by 97-98. If your problematic bars are older than that, you can buy new ones. Or, if you are looking for a cheap slippage correction, cut away the plastic coating by your towers and replace with a thick layer of masking tape. He said this works great. 2. I presented my concerns about the unique pressure points created by the Sweet Roll system. I was concerned about my thinwalled Wavehopper deforming in heat, or just by sitting on the rack for an extended period. He simply advised me not to buy it as the cradles are better for thinwalled boats (duh). The gold in this is that Yakima is developing a new carrier system due out next spring that will carry boats with a lot more support than achieved by the cradles, they will be wider (more support) and have a litany of other features that I have already forgotten about. I am excited about this new carrier, and apologize for the lapse in memory. Thanks, Phil huck_at_mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu In a story related to my forgetfullness and unrelated to Yakima.... I am unable to further describe the racks, I had just learned about them when I had purchased my rack left the store and was placed under arrest. I was arrested yesterday on felony charges. I am accused of a hit and run vehicle accident on the other side of town that "somehow occured" while I was giving a midterm to my kayaking class. I am currently free, but I guess I am still scared, primarily because the driver pegged me as the guilty party. He gave complete description of me, face, hair, pickup color, make, model, rusty ladder rack on top, and some scratches on my truck that came from an accident 5 yrs ago. The cops are sure that I am the one. "Well, your story doesn't match up, but hey, if something jars your memory and you want to admit something we have detectives waiting to speak to you at the station." Basically, I am taking my class list to the station today, with all the phone numbers and telling them (respectfully) where to stick it. Man, they scared the hell out of me, taking me away from my wife and putting me in the back of their car in front of the whole damn neighborhood. Honestly, I kept asking if it was a joke my paddling buddies put them up to. I was completely caught off guard..."I did WHAT?!!" "Are you crazy?!?!" By the way, police do not like being called crazy. It only makes you look like the nutty one. Looking back, as a regular viewer of "Cops" on Fox, I only wish I was drunk, smoking and wearing a dirty T-shirt. It would take at least an hour for them to get me to stop throwing furniture from the roof. That way, all of you Paddlewisers could have seen the REAL me next Saturday night. BTW, if they would only give me a description of the bastard I supposedly hit, I would show him a real "accident". I was planning on selling that old truck anyway. At least my new kayak rack installed with no problems on my new Metro. I have enough stress in my life. Thanks for reading my vent. Phil Huck "cause I'm wanted, dead or alive" Bon Jovi, circa 1987. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
huck wrote: > I just purchased a new Metro and had a full Yakima rack [snip] > As I was pricing out the rack in the store, I was talking to a salesman > (friend of mine) and he mentioned that the Yakima rep was in the store. So I > hunted him down to question him about the rack problems we have discussed on > the list. He has explanations for both the slippery bars and the roller/dent > problems. > > 1. The slipping bars are caused by a high oil content in the synthetic bar > coating. When you clamp it down, you squeeze out the oil. This problem was > corrected in 96 so the last of the oily bars should have left all stores by > 97-98. If your problematic bars are older than that, you can buy new ones. Or, > if you are looking for a cheap slippage correction, cut away the plastic > coating by your towers and replace with a thick layer of masking tape. He said > this works great. AFAICT, this explanation from the Yakima rep is bogus. I bought my last set of bars from Alder Creek in Portland, OR, out of new stock, shipped to them in early '99. The Hully Rollers slipped madly on the bar until I contact-cemented 220 grit wet-or-dry emery paper on the inside of the clamps. I think the clamps are the problem -- they do not grip the bar tightly enough -- and it is a design flaw (the designers are in the US), not something Yakima can blame on their manufacturing side (now in Mexico). Evidence: the clamps for the TLC saddles (same purchase event, same set of bars) work fine. [Sorry to hear of the miscarriage of justice, Phil -- sounds like someone has it in for you. That's the kind of harrassment no one needs.] -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/26/1999 10:29:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com writes: << I often have wondered why people, when faced with round vs. square, continue to get the round ones, i.e. Yakimas as opposed to Thules. >> How about because when we were first starting out, the dealer we were standing in only offered Yakimas, and we ain't about to throw out a couple of hundred bucks (or so) worth of equipment? :) Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/26/1999 2:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eharmon_at_cs.miami.edu writes: << Hi, where do you get these pads? >> Elaine, Jet's has them (with their logo, of course) but they slip onto Yakima type bars and have the ability to roll, thereby making it easier to load. Doubt they will fit on your Taurus wagon flat bars. Wyoming River Raiders (check www.riverraiders.com - when you go to Marinell's) have something called the Quick Strap Rack (item 23022 - reg $70 but goes on sale for about $50 don't remember price in new catalog). It kind of looks like the swimming "noodles" with straps that go through the car door and over the boat. 1-800-247-6068. BTW, the new catalog arrived this week - lots of neat things (for kayaking and canoeing) with color pictures of just about everything. Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:10 AM 10/26/99 -0700, Ralph wrote: > >I often have wondered why people, when faced with round vs. square, >continue to get the round ones, i.e. Yakimas as opposed to Thules. The >square bars can't roll and they also seem to tighten better inside the >towers, at least from my own experience and observation of others. FWIW, I first bought Yaks back in the days when we all had rain gutters. What I liked about the "round bar" set-up was that it appered to be more adjustable becoaue of the roundness and, thus, would fit more intimately with various vehicles's roofs. I stuck with Yak with my now gutterless vehicle because: 1. I didn't have any reason to believe the racks would perform any less well than in the past. 2. I wasn't sure my old Yak accessories would work as well on the square bar. I'll rethink this on future rack purchases. Ralph also said: > > As for reflective tape for placement on paddles, this is sold in > squares at kayak and marine shops and are self-adhesive. ACR is one brand. <<<< I believe the tape he (and I) uses is termed "retro-reflective". It is very much better than ordinary reflective tape as sold for bicycles. I bought mine in West Marine. They have it on rolls and you buy it by the foot. It is either 1-1/2 or 2 inches wide. Bill *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote: > Elaine Harmon wrote: > > > > Hi, where do you get these pads? > > > The pads are sold by Yakima and Thule and come in two versions, one with > a slit along the bottom (that allows you to slip the pad on to the rack > bar) and one with no slit (which means you need to place them on the > rack via the end which means removal from the towers, etc. a pain in the > arse). The pads are also often sold by paddling shops with their logo, > phone number etc. on them. One of the best I had, and which never wore > out due to UV damage (I never took the pads off the rack and parked > outdoors) was from Jersey Paddler. They are longer and covered with an > acrylic material that beats the nylon covers normally used by Thule and > Yakima. Same price, i.e. $18 -20 a pair. try a bicycle shop, who sells pads for the BMX bikes... way cheaper ;-) really cheap, pipe insulation, covered with your favorite material, with a couple pieces of duct tape!! i replace this every couple years. mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [_| [_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. - English Proverb *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
One reason is that not all racks fit all cars. When we were looking for racks we went to Small Boat Shop, where they carry Thule. Dick asked what kind of car we had, & when we told him it was a '96 Mercury Mystique, he checked his book & told us that they didn't make a rack to fit that car. So we wound up going to REI where we could get the Yakima rack that did fit the car. We now have a Thule rack on our other car (a "95 Dodge Neon), and my husband (who drives that car) says that he much prefers the Thule, for all of the reasons already given. > > I often have wondered why people, when faced with round vs. square, > continue to get the round ones, i.e. Yakimas as opposed to Thules. > The > square bars can't roll and they also seem to tighten better inside > the > towers, at least from my own experience and observation of others. > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Elaine Harmon wrote: > > > > Also, a bit back you recommended putting reflective tape on the paddle > > blade backs. What tape do you recommend; source? Apart from marine stores which can be expensive I once got some good stuff from signwriters. Lots of different colours and sticks fast. I guess its also designed to last in outdoor conditions. nick *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I haven't had the problem with rolling Yakima bars. Just lucky, I guess. But here's a thought for those who do have that problem: Several people have recommended bonding emery paper to the inside of the clamps which grip the bars. Sounds like a simple and effective fix. Others have been told to strip away the plastic coating from the bars (just where the clamps go) and wrap the bars with masking tape. The result has been rusting of the bars. So - Rather than strip away the plastic bar coating, why not contact cement (or epoxy) a bit of emery cloth to the *outside of the plastic* which coats the bars? Might have to sand that coating lightly first - and would have to be careful not to wrap too much emery paper around the bar. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> But here's a thought for those who do have that problem: Several people have > recommended bonding emery paper to the inside of the clamps which grip the > bars. Sounds like a simple and effective fix. > > Others have been told to strip away the plastic coating from the bars (just > where the clamps go) and wrap the bars with masking tape. The result has been > rusting of the bars. So - Rather than strip away the plastic bar coating, why > not contact cement (or epoxy) a bit of emery cloth to the *outside of the > plastic* which coats the bars? Might have to sand that coating lightly first > - and would have to be careful not to wrap too much emery paper around the > bar. In looking at all 3 sets of bars I've had the plastic rip on, it seems to me that the basic problem is in the three tiny grooved clamping spaces that are on the towers of my set. They are just not enough to really grip the bar. They dig into the plastic but there is not enough pressure on the metal of the bars to actually hold the bar. The plastic coating isn't strong enough to take the twisting pressure of 50+ pounds of boat on the two small spaces of the rollers in loading the boats. I agree that taking the plastic off will result in rust. That is one reason for putting the end caps on the bars. I've tried sandpaper but that only held 3 weeks. I have thought that perhaps a strip of some kind of rubber would add enough pressure in the clamp that it would hold. Right now it is holding. I put the rollers farther apart after the last set of rips developed. That works for the Breeze with its wide hull but for a narrow boat the keel hits the pvc that I put over the bar to keep the boat from hitting the bar in loading. I tried a paint roller over the bar but the drip from the water that collects was discoloring my white truck so I took it off and put the pvc on. My next try will be a strip of inner tube inside the clamping area. I know there will be a next time. I have to get something to protect the bars where the coating ripped. Anyone have any suggestions for something to seal moisture out of the hole? Joan Spinner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 13:08 10/27/99 -0400, Joan Spinner wrote: [huge snip] > I have to get something to protect the bars where the coating ripped. Anyone >have any suggestions for something to seal moisture out of the hole? > >Joan Spinner the plastic coating you use to dip tools in, paint it on?! should seal well... mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Real-To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net At 13:08 10/27/99 -0400, Joan Spinner wrote: [huge snip] > I have to get something to protect the bars where the coating ripped. Anyone >have any suggestions for something to seal moisture out of the hole? > >Joan Spinner the plastic coating you use to dip tools in, paint it on?! should seal well... mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well it started out good with a gathering of paddling clubs meeting at Hidden River Ranch on the St. Marys River, NE Fla. and SE Ga., and it was quite a gathering of people.Camping Fri. and Sat. night and a meal.( you had to pay a small price for all.)Meet a lot of good people from Fla. and Ga. clubs and individual paddlers. The paddle for Sat. was on a 10-11 mile stretch of the river was just about at flood stage with fast water and a ton of strainers cause we were paddling in the tree tops. There was no organization in charge so it was a bit of a free for all at launching with some people opting out because of the conditions. No leader or sweep was designated and nobody know who or how many launched. Barbara who was putting this on had help from her daughter ,a few relatives and a couple of friends. I launched with the group i was with ,The Fla. Sea Kayaking Association, and was soon separated from most of them as we were helping others who were either capsized or pinned in the trees. I watched one guy in a kayak capsize four times in a mile distance. We were committed with no take outs till we got to our destination, a bridge down stream and the current to strong to paddle back up stream thru the trees. Many people capsized that day and luckily no one got hurt that I know of. Most of the paddlers should not of been padding with the water as high as it was and was not experienced with tree top paddling. We did many rescues and got a lot of practice. Almost all the paddlers wore PFD's and mainly their boats were pinned and not the people. One roylex canoe was bent double and popped back with just broken gunwales and a wrinkle or two.In all it was a very exciting day and made it high on my list as trips from H*LL I have been on and survived. Some thought we should of made I survived the paddle T shirts. To give Barbara credit she though some one else was taking care of the paddle, she was taking care of the land part. I thought I was one of the last ones off the river because with my glass kayak I did not want to put it on the canoe trailer racks so I got a ride back to get my truck with good racks and back to the take out to get my kayak. At dinner I heard that some people were left at the take out and some people went to get them. There was much discussion at dinner and after dinner at the meeting of what went wrong and how not to let it happen again. Thats about all my poor finger is getting tired of hunting and pecking. Dana PS.Things to do different Make sure some body in charge has their act together and or help them get their act together. I just wanted to paddle and not be responsible for the trip sense I lead trips all the time and never get to just paddle with a group for fun. Even when I don't lead they look for my lead, no brag just a painful fact of life. I think I baby the paddlers on the trip and give them to much security , I don't know. When situations warrant even when I have no standing in a paddle make my judgement call known and why. No matter if I want to paddle or not but for the safety of the group. I hate to do this but forget some times that people you paddle with are not as skilled as you are or have confidence in their abilitys. I am sure there are others but my mind went blank and I can't think of them. PS #2 I have had two paddle trips from H*LL on the St. Marys River , a river very close to my heart, and survived to paddle it again and again with no loss of life and only a few broken bones, not mine and had nothing to do with paddling but horsing around on a sand bar.Boy I think my finger got a blister on it from all this typing. PS#2 only kidding I am finished Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Is anybody else seeing double and tripple of postings or is it the new Cabernet I tested.... Jackie (who can't figure what the heck is going on here...) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Jackie Fenton wrote: > > Is anybody else seeing double and tripple of postings or is it the > new Cabernet I tested.... > > Jackie (who can't figure what the heck is going on here...) only of mine, sorry... mea culpa, troo manyy kys, not eoiugh fingers my bad. [if you want to see my problem: http://www.jacknjillz.com/graphics/self1.jpg happy halloween ;-] and again, apologies to all mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [_| [_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. - English Proverb *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/28/1999 12:06:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, canoeist_at_netbox.com writes: << http://www.jacknjillz.com/graphics/self1.jpg >> THAT WAS GROSS, MARK! For those of you without benefit of picture viewing capacity - it was a photo of some "creature" - humanish, gross face, bald top, white hair, looong finger pointing, and - to make it more bizarre - it was inserted into your typical office cubicle with computers scene. Sandy Kramer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:11 AM 10/29/99 -0400, Sandykayak_at_aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/28/1999 12:06:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >canoeist_at_netbox.com writes: > ><< http://www.jacknjillz.com/graphics/self1.jpg >> >THAT WAS GROSS, MARK! For those of you without benefit of picture viewing >capacity - it was a photo of some "creature" - humanish, gross face, bald >top, white hair, looong finger pointing, and - to make it more bizarre - it >was inserted into your typical office cubicle with computers scene. I like the two engineers (I'm guessing) engrossed in something on a monitor in the background totally oblivious to the "creature". For the past three years we've bought the "Pumpkin Masters" pumpking carving kit (www.pumpkinmasters.com). It has a book of patterns that can be taped to a pumpkin, a poker for outlining the pattern, and a couple of little jig saws for carving out the holes after the pattern is removed. We get *lots* of compliments on our pumpkins every year. I think I'll pick up an another pumpkin after work and carve a sea kayaker pattern on it. If I do, I'll take pictures and make it available. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/27/1999 11:29:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jackie_at_intelenet.net writes: << Is anybody else seeing double and tripple of postings or is it the new Cabernet I tested.... >> Yes, I've had Mark's 3 times so far. I've got it worked out that I frequently get double, but that's because I talk too much, so when they click Reply All - I get the response to me and the one to the general list. I hope your Cabernet was better than the cheap Merlot I took on the Peace River trip. Yiichk. Sandy *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> For the past three years we've bought the "Pumpkin Masters" pumpking carving kit (www.pumpkinmasters.com). It has a book of patterns that can be taped to a pumpkin, a poker for outlining the pattern, and a couple of little jig saws for carving out the holes after the pattern is removed. We get *lots* of compliments on our pumpkins every year. >> The results are cool! Dana Dickson and his wife brought a couple of Pumpkin Masters jack-o-lanterns to our Halloween party Saturday night. One was carved as a howling wolf, and the other was carved as a vampire face. (Dana himself came as a very impressive devil, and his wife as a witch.) For my part, I carved a traditional jack-o-lantern face with a kitchen knife, and illuminated it with an emergency strobe. I think I will get a Pumpkin Masters kit next year for the tools, if for nothing else. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 13:08 10/27/99 -0400, Joan Spinner wrote: [huge snip] > I have to get something to protect the bars where the coating ripped. Anyone >have any suggestions for something to seal moisture out of the hole? > >Joan Spinner the plastic coating you use to dip tools in, paint it on?! should seal well... mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I have to get something to protect the bars where the coating ripped. Anyone > have any suggestions for something to seal moisture out of the hole? > Most hardware stores - and certainly Menards and Home Depot - should sell a product called liquid electrical tape. It's similar to the liquid plastic product that Mark Zen mentioned, but may flow into cracks and crevices a little better. * Caveat *- I haven't used liquid electrical tape on my Yakima rack - but it seems as though it should work as well as anything else. (The crossbars on my Yakima rack are so rusted that they will have to be replaced. But I'm going to try to nurse them through their 9th Midwest salt season before I replace them) Erik Sprenne At the southern end of Lake Michigan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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