I'm about to order a composite boat with a yellow deck. The manufacturer tried to dissuade me from a bright white hull, suggesting that an off-white (ivory or oyster) hull will show stains less and will look nicer, notwithstanding that out of the box (or bubble wrap) the bright white will look sharper with the yellow. What is the experience of this list using white hulls in urban waters? Ken Cooperstein *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kenneth Cooperstein wrote: The > manufacturer tried to dissuade me from a bright white hull, suggesting > that an off-white (ivory or oyster) hull will show stains less One of my kayaks has a white hull and it does tend to pick up a grey scummy line along the water line. It usually isn't bad and wipes off easily, though. One advantage of the white hull (with a fibreglass boat) is that it doesn't show scratches as much. John *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ken asks, "What is the experience of this list using white hulls in urban waters?" My VCP Pintail has a deep red deck and a light gray hull, and is used in urban and exurban paddling. The color combination was and still is --- seven years later --- terrific. However, in one sense, the manufacturer's right --- an off white hull may show surface stains less. But surface stains wash off --- unless your urban paddling takes you through toxic waste that eats gelcoat! What he didn't mention is that composite hulls scratch white. And the boat will collect lasting through-surface scratches regardless of where you paddle. White hulls scratching white are not as noticable as off white hulls scratching white. You can't scrub away scratches as you can most stains. Bottom line? If you like white, go with white. If you like an off white for cosmetic reasons, go with off white. You've gotta be happy with your color choice, and, since your preference seems to be for the more practical white, I'd go that way. (Maybe your manufacturer has a lot of ivory hulls he'd like to get rid of --- at some considerable discount? Ivory's good too!) Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, John Waddington wrote: > Kenneth Cooperstein wrote: > The > > manufacturer tried to dissuade me from a bright white hull, suggesting > > that an off-white (ivory or oyster) hull will show stains less > > One of my kayaks has a white hull and it does tend to pick up a grey > scummy line along the water line. It usually isn't bad and wipes off > easily, though. One advantage of the white hull (with a fibreglass > boat) is that it doesn't show scratches as much. > > John same reason i bought white, my dad used to race sailboats, and said white doesn't show the scratches as well. so i have more white boats than any other color... sure are boring looking, and once there are a million or so little scratches, the scratches hold the dirt, and then your white boat isn't white... mark -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com----http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark ---- # mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [_| [_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/paddler [index to club websites i administer] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Fortune: One kind word can warm three winter months. --Japanese Proverb *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have owned both a white & "smoke" hulled boats. When repairing scratches at year end, white is much easier to deal with. No colors to mix, etc. I have never had white "show stains". Debbie Reeves Sandy Hook, NJ > ---------- > From: Kenneth Cooperstein[SMTP:cprstnc1_at_optonline.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 7:22 AM > To: paddlewise, paddlewise > Subject: [Paddlewise] Hull color -- white or off-white? > > I'm about to order a composite boat with a yellow deck. The > manufacturer tried to dissuade me from a bright white hull, suggesting > that an off-white (ivory or oyster) hull will show stains less and will > look nicer, notwithstanding that out of the box (or bubble wrap) the > bright white will look sharper with the yellow. What is the experience > of this list using white hulls in urban waters? > > Ken Cooperstein > > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Subject: [Paddlewise] Hull color -- white or off-white? I agree that the white shows scratches less. Another consideration is repair since the hull is the most likely place that you may in the future be doing gel coat repair(e.g. when you get a bit too 'frisky' in the rock gardens). White is much easier to match than the various shades of off-whites. Dennis *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dennis wrote: >I agree that the white shows scratches less. Another consideration is >repair since the hull is the most likely place that you may in the >future be doing gel coat repair(e.g. when you get a bit too 'frisky' in >the rock gardens). White is much easier to match than the various >shades of off-whites. Has anyone ever inquired with the dealer about getting a pint of matching gelcoat with the boat when you purchase it? I moonlight part-time for the local Wenonah/CD dealer. I have done a lot of Wenonah repairs and they have all of their boat colors available in repair pints of gelcoat. I'd think it would be easiest to get the color that matches your hull (or deck) at the time of purchase. Shawn *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Dennis wrote: >I agree that the white shows scratches less. Another consideration is >repair since the hull is the most likely place that you may in the >future be doing gel coat repair(e.g. when you get a bit too 'frisky' in >the rock gardens). White is much easier to match than the various >shades of off-whites. Shawn rote: >Has anyone ever inquired with the dealer about getting a pint of >matching gelcoat with the boat when you purchase it? I moonlight >part-time for the local Wenonah/CD dealer. I have done a lot of Wenonah >repairs and they have all of their boat colors available in repair pints >of gelcoat. I'd think it would be easiest to get the color that matches >your hull (or deck) at the time of purchase. We encourage customers to go with white hulls because of the scratching reason and the ease of repair. A pure white gel-coat will be able to be matched by any gel-coat mfr. All of the major gel-coat companies make their base white with no color tinting, just straight Titanium Dioxide pigment. (believe that's correct) Unfortuantely gel-coat does not have an adequate shelf life to be shipped with the boat and then be useful 6 months or more later. Old gel-coat will not cure properly, if at all, and will only frustrate your efforts to achieve a workman-like repair. Regards, Steve Freund QCC Kayaks (888( 794-3887 http://www.qcckayaks.com [demime 0.92b removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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