>John Winters wrote: <snip> To provide some idea of how I >approach this kind of thing visit my non-commercial web page >http://home.ican.net/~735769/safety.htm that provides a way >of estimating the danger of a given paddling situation. I hope >you find it helpful. I also would appreciate your comments. Then Larry replied: >>John's notion that *Rating Guide for Sea Kayaking Conditions* >>can be formulated as*Rating = Sum of risk values for each condition* >>seems well thought out and useful to me. However i propose that >>injection of kaos into the computation might make it >>more likely to include the uncertainty that we often encounter <snip>. Doug Lloyd comments: I have a love/hate relationship with attempts at rating sea kayak conditions. I love looking at these rating guides because anyone who has the gumption to even try and achieve such a complicated task deserves respect. I know of no one who has attempted this task, who is *not* in tune with reality. They all have a lot of experience, and genuinely are trying to help people determine a safe level for paddling. I love reviewing these rating attempts because they provoke thought and introspection. Rick Davies published one in Wavelenght called "Go/No Go". I have a friend who has a valuable, yet unpublished scale, declined by Sea Kayaker Magazine. Canoe & Kayak Magazine have one out. The Sea Kayak Association of BC have one on their web page. I tried making one for my club but gave up. There are others. The Tsunami Rangers have one out now, that their Commander has applied to a recent incident which I forwarded to SK Mag. Eric uses his "scale" to review the risk factors in the latest SK Mag. I had some input into the rating system. (The systems I look at are all sea kayak related). Having said all that, I hate them. The elements that comprise an individual's or group's decision to paddle are so variable, so internal, so experiential, so...so intangible I just don't see how one can delineate it on paper. You want kaos? There are so many variables at work at any one given moment, at least on the open sea; so many changeable elements, and so many considerations and choices depending on what level of exposure and risk you feel like taking that particular day or hour. Everything these days is classified, codified, searchableized, digitized, theorized, etc, etc. The ocean, lake, and river paddling realms are some of the last bastions of honest adventure and challenge left, that are reasonably accessible to "the people" and impossible to control. Packaging it all up into a tidy little "gift" for public consumption, especially when rating systems don't really work, ain't cool with me as a reliable index - only as a promt. Of course, most rating system inventors always caveated their scale with a note about its usefulness in the "real world". I'd be the first to say I'd like a BA or MA in Ocean Kayaking Riskology where everything is systematically broken down and taught; heck, most of my paddling friends in Victoria would give good money to pay my way. But I wouldn't go in the end. I'd just keep reading books on risk management, studying other's mistakes, evaluating my own, rubbing shoulders with better paddlers and keeping an open mind to what they have to teach. And most of all, keep paddling on the water, where mother nature's pedagogically preeminent presence continues to train and instruct if one's spirit is at peace, one's heart is humble, one's mind engaged, one's body in tune, and one's target for risk is hitting the bullseye because experience is being gained in appropriate degrees commensurate with your objectives. John has made a great attempt. And as always, it is done with cerebral intensity in his usual indubitable manner. If it is flawed, it is only because by nature, all rating systems are imperfect. It is one of the better ones around, however. What do I worry about right now? I wonder how many PW'rs even bothered to look up John's site to engage an intelligent dialog within themselves. I wonder how many didn't even look at this thread initially. How many people take risk management seriously? What are _my_ greatest allies for survivability, if that is the name of the game? Not rating systems, that's for sure. Try, in order, common sense, constant paddler's awareness, knowledge/understanding of your skill level, knowledge/understanding of your environment, the ability to think three-dimensionally/proactively, *complete* self-reliance, preparation/training, good gear and back-up gear, to name a few. Another big one - protocol*. On a big lake or ocean with significant winds and waves, open Canadian canoes are at high risk. On a wild river, solo WW canoe or river kayaker shouldn't be out there. Proper team-river kayaking in a group? People still die, but it seems more "acceptable". Big surf? Shouldn't be out alone. Ocean/lake solo kayaking or in a small group in challenging conditions? Guess we are still deciding what is publically acceptable or within "community standards". Best if you are able to rescue yourself and take care of yourself in the aftermath, for the conditions you are in or could get caught in. (The above presupposes experienced paddlers in each category mentioned for average-for-them conditions). Better yet, avoid trouble in the first place. Now how do you do that? I guess rating systems do have a place! *Protocol - the recent incident near South Portland, Maine, with the bellbouy clinging kayaker: Alone, no back-up gear, short kayak, outflow current/inflow winds (I assume), to my way of thinking, is out of tune with acceptable, normal paddling protocol. Anyway, I could expand on my above "survivability" rules, if there is interest. It would be *my* "rating system". Circuitously yours, Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Wed Nov 10 1999 - 02:28:06 PST
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