------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:11:38 -0800 From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net> To: "skimmer_at_mail.enter.net" <skimmer_at_mail.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Risk Homeowhatsis skimmer_at_mail.enter.net wrote: > > > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Risk Homeowhatsis > > > I paddle a folding kayak. Never tried to roll, and can't emagine why I > > would want to learn. I do work full time at keeping the inside of the > > boat and me dry tho. > > > > Is part of your plan to never capsize in cold water? > > > That's right! I did that many years ago(in janurary)with an empty boat. > > Didn't much care for it. Now days I carry lots of exspencive camera gear > > and ham radios that would likely be ruined if I flipped. > =========================== > > Hi Jim, > > OK. I guess as long as you capsized it once, you'll be OK if you go > over again. There is certainly a lot to be said for a boat that > doesn't capsize. There aren't many out there. > > What sort of flotation do you have in the boat? > > Is it a Klepper with sponsons? I understand that the dealers say > that, with the sponsons in a klepper, you will always be safe because > the boat can't sink-- very handy attribute. Another very useful > attribute of such boats is that the paddlers don't really have any > great need to learn any paddling skills. > > Chuck Sutherland > http://www.enter.net/~skimmer I guess sence you have decided to go direct, you have decided that there is no value in what you have to say, to the rest of the list anyway..? Read my "who's who" if you really want to know what I paddle. As far as my paddling skills. I paddle alone, so don't have anyone like you near, that I feel might need impressing. They likely aren't as great as yours, but they sure have managed to get me through a few years and a tight spot or two. I realize I may not fall under your approval, but then I don't have too, do I. James, and through with this conversation, but you can carry on as long as it makes you feel important. http://www.enter.net/~skimmer *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> > > I paddle a folding kayak. Never tried to roll, and can't emagine why I > > > would want to learn. I do work full time at keeping the inside of the > > > boat and me dry tho. > > > > > > Is part of your plan to never capsize in cold water? > > > > > That's right! I did that many years ago(in janurary)with an empty boat. > > > Didn't much care for it. > > > > OK. I guess as long as you capsized it once, you'll be OK if you go > > over again. <snip> > > As far as my paddling skills. I paddle alone, so don't have anyone like > you near, that I feel might need impressing. They likely aren't as great > as yours, but they sure have managed to get me through a few years and a > tight spot or two. > I realize I may not fall under your approval, but then I don't have too, > do I. > > ..... carry on as long as it makes you feel important. I want to thank the Paddlewisers who contributed to the exchange above (not naming names) for as clear a demonstration as we could have asked for on the topic of a previous thread, namely "How do you decide when to speak up?" It appears from the dialog that there is one person who is sure he know what he's doing, and does not suffer kindly the suggestion that some of his practices might be dangerous, and another who is trying, with a little humor and a little sarcasm, to point out to him exactly that. A lovely example of life imitating art, or something like that. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think that the ladder/stirrup systems have been mentioned recently, and there may be descriptions in some detail in the archives..... My wife & I each carry homemade stirrup systems that easily fit in our PFDs. Ours consist of 2 loops of 1/8" deckline, with steps made of 6" lengths of 1/2" PVC pipe. The large loop fits over the cockpit coaming, and is long enough so that its step (one of the PVC pipes) is about 6" below the bottom of the hull. The second loop of deckline threads through the first step and is long enough so that the second step is about a foot below the first. This device has worked well for us many times in practice and, more importantly, in "conditions" that were sort of rough. It has the advantage of being very quick to deploy. I have read about and seen another way to rig a stirrup which may be more stable. You thread one end of the loop around the victim's paddle shaft, then place that paddle below the two boats and perpendicular to them. Then drape the other end over the victim's boat and into the water. The victim can hoist himself up, using the stirrup, onto a very stable platform. I'm thinking that the extra step of dealing with the victim's paddle -- both setting up the stirrup and disengaging it -- may not be worth the extra stability, since we haven't experienced any problems with stability with the version I described above. Note that neither version of the stirrup is a self-rescue, although I don't see any reason they couldn't be deployed along with a well-secured paddle float outrigger. > Another item which I have seen at NRS (for rafts, ut could be modified for kayak use) is a small 2 or 3 rung ladder which is kept in a bag until needed, then hung over the side. The rungs are wide enough for whatever kayak shoes one is wearing. Perhaps this device would enable folks to more easily re-enter their kayak. Like anything else, try it in benign conditions first, then in controlled weather situations (ie, practice with help nearby). > Has anyone tried this ladder gizmo? >Regards, >Leander >leander_at_worldnet.att.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gee Chuck, Even I, the one who knows so little, knows it's not proper to post to the list a private message. Shame, foul!!! I have lived my life by following my gut instincts, and they had you pegged for doing just what you have done. Too bad you wasn't a deer. The freezer would be full again. :-) So I can only say, "thanks!" PS: to Jackie:no flame war here. I really am through with the topic. James skimmer_at_mail.enter.net wrote: > > ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 12:11:38 -0800 > From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net> > To: "skimmer_at_mail.enter.net" <skimmer_at_mail.enter.net> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Risk Homeowhatsis > > skimmer_at_mail.enter.net wrote: > > > > > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Risk Homeowhatsis > > > > > I paddle a folding kayak. Never tried to roll, and can't emagine why I > > > would want to learn. I do work full time at keeping the inside of the > > > boat and me dry tho. > > > > > > Is part of your plan to never capsize in cold water? > > > > > That's right! I did that many years ago(in janurary)with an empty boat. > > > Didn't much care for it. Now days I carry lots of exspencive camera gear > > > and ham radios that would likely be ruined if I flipped. > > =========================== > > > > Hi Jim, > > > > OK. I guess as long as you capsized it once, you'll be OK if you go > > over again. There is certainly a lot to be said for a boat that > > doesn't capsize. There aren't many out there. > > > > What sort of flotation do you have in the boat? > > > > Is it a Klepper with sponsons? I understand that the dealers say > > that, with the sponsons in a klepper, you will always be safe because > > the boat can't sink-- very handy attribute. Another very useful > > attribute of such boats is that the paddlers don't really have any > > great need to learn any paddling skills. > > > > Chuck Sutherland > > http://www.enter.net/~skimmer > > I guess sence you have decided to go direct, you have decided that there > is no value in what you have to say, to the rest of the list anyway..? > > Read my "who's who" if you really want to know what I paddle. > As far as my paddling skills. I paddle alone, so don't have anyone like > you near, that I feel might need impressing. They likely aren't as great > as yours, but they sure have managed to get me through a few years and a > tight spot or two. > I realize I may not fall under your approval, but then I don't have too, > do I. > > James, and through with this conversation, but you can carry on as long > as it makes you feel important. > > http://www.enter.net/~skimmer > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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