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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: Re:[Paddlewise] (Paddlewise) Plastic is
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:06:36 -0800
The price on a glass Seda single at my store (until the end of January) is
$1275 + $65 in shipping costs.  Most dealers around the country will have
them at similar prices (This is not an ad but a refutation of the post
below). I don't sell many plastic kayaks as a result of my dislike for them
and the $400 extra someone has to pay to get fiberglass. There are several
other good glass kayaks for under $2000. Note:Mariners don't cost $3000 as
you claim either unless you want Kevlar or Graphite.

Most Seda kayaks are nicer
paddling kayaks than anything I have tried in plastic (and I try everything
I can get my hands on. Got to run.

Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
To: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>; Paddlewise <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net>
Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 8:24 AM
Subject: Re:[Paddlewise] (Paddlewise) Plastic is
Perfect!????????????????not!


>At 02:16 AM 12/5/99 -0800, Matt Broze wrote:
>>
>>Well now that I have offended all the people on this list who love their
>>plastic kayaks and didn't want to hear the downside I am going to sign off
>>and duck all the flak by hiding out in the Sea of Cortez until the flames
>>die down.  We will be renting Seda fiberglass kayaks, however, I would be
>>taking a folding kayak down like I did last time (Khatsalano) if the only
>>other choice was to rent a plastic kayak.
>
>Matt, you make a persuasive case, and this will be waiting on your e-mail
>spooler when you come back from Baja.
>
>There is one area where plastic kayaks are far superior:
>
>Sexy, fast, well-built Mariner kayak, with all the trimmings: $3k+
>Slow, rubbery, scratchable, dentable, fun plastic kayak:      $1k-
>
>I wish I had the kind of money to buy one of your boats (assuming I could
>fit into it, never a safe assumption) -- but I can grind up the bottoms
>of three plastic kayaks for the cost of grinding up one Mariner.
>
>-- Wes
>


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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re:[Paddlewise] (Paddlewise) Plastic is
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 19:02:16
At 01:06 PM 12/6/99 -0800, Matt Broze wrote:
>The price on a glass Seda single at my store (until the end of January) is
>$1275 + $65 in shipping costs.  Most dealers around the country will have
>them at similar prices (This is not an ad but a refutation of the post
>below). I don't sell many plastic kayaks as a result of my dislike for them
>and the $400 extra someone has to pay to get fiberglass. There are several
>other good glass kayaks for under $2000. Note:Mariners don't cost $3000 as
>you claim either unless you want Kevlar or Graphite.
>
Sorry, I didn't want to sound as rude as this message appeared. The point I
was making is that there is a very sound cost differential. Granted, Sedas
are a lot cheaper than most glass boats, where the typical cost is about
$2,500. I wish I could afford the cost of a top of the like kayak like a
Mariner -- which, by the time I could travel to the west coast to try one
on, then have it shipped here, would probably come to well over $3000 --
but simply, if I were to tell the wife that I was going to spend $3000 for
a kayak, or even $2000, well, she'd have a fit. She had enough of one for
less than $1000. As much as I enjoy kayaking, I just can't justify the
up-front cost for that much boat. 

Again, sorry if I offended.

-- Wes

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