Doug Lloyd, or somebody else mentioned tethers. I would think it would be a good idea to tether your survival bag and your kayak bow line to your off hand. Here is another good place to use a bungy. ...and tether the paddle to the boat. I think a powerfull wave wipeout would easly pull this stuff off your wrist or do some real damage to your arm. So I'm thinking: tight wrist bracelet of cord, bungy tied to bracelet, boat & surv bag tied to bungy, knife locked into vest. Tie the survival bag on with a dark colored line and the boat with a brite one. Configure the survival bag line so that there is a loop in it appropriate to go over head and 1 arm, for swimming with it. Between this loop and the wrist knot leave 16in of line. You'll cut this after putting on the loop and will appreaciate the 16in. After it's on your shoulder, the survival bag should trail just behind the end of your arm stroke and short of interferring with your kick stroke. What kind of bungy and how long? How far do you want the bow of the boat away from you? Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Can't totally picture this system, but in my upcoming article in SK Magazine, I highly recommend against such tether arrangements. The only thing that should ever go on your wrist is a *short* paddle leash connecting your control hand to the paddle. Chri Duff uses a paddle leash, and he is in bigger waves (at sea) than most of us. Shoulderable loops have a place for tethering oneself to very open-cockpited kayaks like the inflatable ones, but that is it - IMHO. I would hate to see you get all tangled or strangled in an overly complex system. Also, leave your bow line alone, and let it function for the job it is intended to do. Again, IMHO. You best be careful, or you may win a "Darwin" award from the NSW kayak club in their newsletter from Oz land. My friend, Doug Alderson, wrote an article about using a fannypack survival bag you put around your waist if the going gets tough. He was immediately trounced on for not mentioning that this arrangement could interfere with a lay-back roll. I've wrestled with the issue too, over the years, as I tend to paddle solo on exposed coast in rougher stuff. I finally went with having everything in/on my PFD. You can "work" with your idea, but do try it out in some rough water with some friends close by. Remember, if you bail and loose your kayak and are dependent on your survival bag and then get messed up by that, then two wrongs will not make a right - they may make you dead. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (who gets tongue-tangled in long lines sometimes) At 04:53 PM 12/11/99 -0600, Mike wrote: >Doug Lloyd, or somebody else mentioned tethers. I would think it would be a >good idea to tether your survival bag and your kayak bow line to your off >hand. Here is another good place to use a bungy. ...and tether the paddle >to the boat. > >I think a powerfull wave wipeout would easly pull this stuff off your wrist >or do some real damage to your arm. So I'm thinking: tight wrist bracelet >of cord, bungy tied to bracelet, boat & surv bag tied to bungy, knife locked >into vest. Tie the survival bag on with a dark colored line and the boat >with a brite one. > >Configure the survival bag line so that there is a loop in it appropriate to >go over head and 1 arm, for swimming with it. Between this loop and the >wrist knot leave 16in of line. You'll cut this after putting on the loop >and will appreaciate the 16in. After it's on your shoulder, the survival >bag should trail just behind the end of your arm stroke and short of >interferring with your kick stroke. > >What kind of bungy and how long? > >How far do you want the bow of the boat away from you? > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug, Here's a possibly foolish idea FWIW, how about a 8 meter "retractable doggy leash..."? I have not tried one, but that perhaps? One could carry two and hook them together with the clips at their ends so that the retractor was at opposite ends. A simple cleat might prove useful to "tie them off" on either boat? When you mention a short paddle leash-I must agree heartily-I made mine from some "junk being sold for $1 a piece at my local dive shop." [squeeze buckles etc...] but since I do not use an... uh... 80deg, of set<?>, oh you know-paddle that one uses a control had for, I put mine on the left wrist. I still and probably always will figure that a wrist-leash is better than one attached to the boat... If I have to exit, I want as much with me as I can... As far as PFD's go, I also agree with you-In my case, I use a [ugh!] waterproof<?not exactly right word?> "fanny pack" that I rotate 'til it is in front of me-most of the rest goes in my PFD pockets, etc... SPARES go in another sack either on top of kayak, or below the spray skirt... Tom... At 11:39 PM 12/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >Can't totally picture this system, but in my upcoming article in SK >Magazine, I highly recommend against such tether arrangements. The only >thing that should ever go on your wrist is a *short* paddle leash >connecting your control hand to the paddle. Chri Duff uses a paddle leash, >and he is in bigger waves (at sea) than most of us. Shoulderable loops >have a place for tethering oneself to very open-cockpited kayaks like the >inflatable ones, but that is it - IMHO. <snip---> >My friend, Doug Alderson, wrote an article about using a fannypack survival >bag you put around your waist if the going gets tough. He was immediately >trounced on for not mentioning that this arrangement could interfere with a >lay-back roll. I've wrestled with the issue too, over the years, as I tend >to paddle solo on exposed coast in rougher stuff. I finally went with >having everything in/on my PFD. <gadfly_at_tscnet.com> homepage: http://www2.tscnet.com/~gadfly/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug - you observed - << My friend, Doug Alderson, wrote an article about using a fannypack survival bag you put around your waist if the going gets tough. He was immediately trounced on for not mentioning that this arrangement could interfere with a lay-back roll. >> I often use such an arrangement. When in the boat, I rotate the fanny pack around so it sits on my abdomen. Doesn't interfere with the layback at all. - Bill Hansen *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:18 PM 12/12/99 -0800, Tom wrote: >Doug,<snip> As far as PFD's go, I also agree with you-In my case, I use a >[ugh!] waterproof<?not exactly right word?> "fanny pack" that I rotate 'til >it is in front of me-most of the rest goes in my PFD pockets, >etc... SPARES go in another sack either on top of kayak, or below the >spray skirt...Tom... I used to use a fannypack too, but if you are short-torsoes like me, it does impaired paddling a bit. Also, I carry a "spare tire" around my waist, so there isn't much room for an "abnominalpack"! My friend, Doug Alderson uses a fannypack for his survival gear, puts it on whenever he encounters rough seas. We have done some very rough passages together (nothing macho - we usually make a run for it if there is a possibility of getting shorebound on an exposed headland or some such thing, and we need to relocate to more comfortable surroundings). He never had a problem with the fannypack oriented toward the rear. It all depends on your boat/skirt/body/comfort situation. Everyone is so different and we often forget that in a world where we are so inclined toward looking for pat answers. BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (who hopes if he ever had half the injury Tom sustained, that I'd even have half the motivation Tom has shown) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Excellent idea, Tom! Anybody know whether these things have [probably :( ] steel springs that would corrode? Shawn Tom wrote: > Here's a possibly foolish idea FWIW, how about a 8 meter "retractable doggy leash..."? -- Shawn W. Baker 0 46°53'N © 1999 ____©/______ 114°06'W ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ baker_at_montana.com 0 http://www.missoulaconcrete.com/shawn/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Shawn, Thankyou- I am not sure if these things have steel springs, but I wonder if a "wet down" with Boeshield <SP?> would help in that case. Also storing in zip lock bags until need for their use comes up? 'Course then there is the idea of using a [ahem] "hand turned dowel" in place of the reel...<g> Tom... <gadfly_at_tscnet.com> homepage: http://www2.tscnet.com/~gadfly/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.4.0 : Thu Aug 21 2025 - 16:33:06 PDT