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From: Tom W... <gadfly_at_tscnet.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 12:49:36 -0800
Hi,

	Okay, I finally got out in my kayak Sunday. for the third time since my 
brain injury, I could not get my neoprene skirt over the cockpit coaming...

	It has been about a year and a half since I could get the silly 
[ooops-important] thing on.  Is it possible that over this time, it might 
have shrunk?

	After getting out of my boat, I took the skirt off my body, and asked 
another fella to give me a hand putting it on the boat, and then put my 
cockpit cover over the whole shbang...

	Has anyone else had this problem?

		TomW...

	
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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:54:09 -0500
I had the same problem with a wetsuit.  Hadn't worn it for years, and then I
went to put it on and it seemed to have shrunk a couple of sizes.

Couldn't have been that I put on weight...... Nah.....

Seriously though, I have been told that neoprene shrinks if it hasn't been
used.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom W... [mailto:gadfly_at_tscnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:50 PM
To: PaddleWise
Subject: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?


Hi,

	Okay, I finally got out in my kayak Sunday. for the third time since
my 
brain injury, I could not get my neoprene skirt over the cockpit coaming...

	It has been about a year and a half since I could get the silly 
[ooops-important] thing on.  Is it possible that over this time, it might 
have shrunk?

	After getting out of my boat, I took the skirt off my body, and
asked 
another fella to give me a hand putting it on the boat, and then put my 
cockpit cover over the whole shbang...

	Has anyone else had this problem?

		TomW...

	
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http://www2.tscnet.com/~gadfly/
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From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:20:52 -0800
Yes, neoprene will shrink over time although some of the complaints
about this regarding wet suits is a weight gain.  :-)

You might try wetting the neoprene sprayskirt as this will stretch it
out a bit.  You mentioned having to get someone else to put it on to
your cockpit rim and then you got into the sprayskirt.  Were you later
able to pop the skirt off the rim without assistance?  If not, you were
perhaps in danger of not being able to release it were you to need to
wet exit.

I saw something along those lines when I first started paddling.  It was
a small group with two instructors one of them Chuck Sutherland who has
appeared on PaddleWise in the past.  The other instructor will go
un-named.  He was a wise guy and got a slim woman to put on the tightest
sprayskirt imaginable both in how it fit her and how it fit on the
cockpit rim.  I don't think any of us noticed just how tightly it was on
the cockpit coaming.  We went out for some more instruction when Chuck
looked over at her and asked "can you release that sprayskirt?"  She
tried and couldn't.  Chuck then got alongside her and with all his
strength (he is a big guy) tried to release the sprayskirt with no
luck.  He then asked her to paddle slowly back to the dock with me on
one side of her and he on the other.  If she had somehow tipped he would
have just turned her boat back over.  We got to the dock and she and the
wise guy instructor pulled her boat bodily out with her in it.  Then on
the dock with all the leverage of being on terra firma, they managed to
get the sprayskirt off.  Chuck really laid into the guy for that caper.

Anyway, don't venture out with a sprayskirt you can't release; odds are
that if you can't put it on yourself, you might not be able to release
it.  Seems obvious but...

ralph diaz

Joe Brzoza wrote:
> 
> I had the same problem with a wetsuit.  Hadn't worn it for years, and then I
> went to put it on and it seemed to have shrunk a couple of sizes.
> 
> Couldn't have been that I put on weight...... Nah.....
> 
> Seriously though, I have been told that neoprene shrinks if it hasn't been
> used.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom W... [mailto:gadfly_at_tscnet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:50 PM
> To: PaddleWise
> Subject: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?
> 
> Hi,
> 
>         Okay, I finally got out in my kayak Sunday. for the third time since
> my
> brain injury, I could not get my neoprene skirt over the cockpit coaming...
> 
>         It has been about a year and a half since I could get the silly
> [ooops-important] thing on.  Is it possible that over this time, it might
> have shrunk?
> 
>         After getting out of my boat, I took the skirt off my body, and
> asked
> another fella to give me a hand putting it on the boat, and then put my
> cockpit cover over the whole shbang...
> 
>         Has anyone else had this problem?
> 
>                 TomW...
> 
> 
> <gadfly_at_tscnet.com>
> 
> homepage:
> http://www2.tscnet.com/~gadfly/
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From: Tom W... <gadfly_at_tscnet.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 16:53:47 -0800
Ralph,

>You might try wetting the neoprene sprayskirt as this will stretch it
>out a bit.  You mentioned having to get someone else to put it on to
>your cockpit rim and then you got into the sprayskirt.  Were you later
>able to pop the skirt off the rim without assistance?  If not, you were
>perhaps in danger of not being able to release it were you to need to
>wet exit.

         This is an issue I ran into when I first got my Pursuit, and it 
lead to one of my early writings to was it "Wave-Length"... before 
Paddlewise got started?

         The skirt that came off very easily on my plastic Necky, refused 
to come off from the fiberglass coaming for three tries.  Scared the heck 
out of me, and that is why I contacted George Gronseth, and one of the 
first things we did was go over the numerous ways to remove a skirt.

         George did a very good job of instilling in me, the habit of 
periodically closing my eyes and removing my skirt.

         Until I can get the skirt ON, I am at a halt...

         Your story is a good one, not just for me I am sure...

>Anyway, don't venture out with a sprayskirt you can't release; odds are
>that if you can't put it on yourself, you might not be able to release
>it.  Seems obvious but...

         Truly it does seem obvious, but at this point I am sort of 
"re-learning" skills that [especially in this case] are VERY 
important.  <shrug> Ak!  So My muscles are not doing what I want them to 
sometimes...  thing is that if I am really going to get back into this 
activity, I have to learn what I can no longer do, and find a way around 
them...<g>

         BTW, I had help putting on the skirt, putting it on the KAYAK, I 
did that after I came back, and had already removed it from my waist<g>

         I always appreciate your posts Ralph...

                 Tom...

	
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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] "Shrunken Skirt"?
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:43:03 -0500
Tom W... wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>         Okay, I finally got out in my kayak Sunday. for the third time since my
> brain injury, I could not get my neoprene skirt over the cockpit coaming...
> 
>         It has been about a year and a half since I could get the silly
> [ooops-important] thing on.  Is it possible that over this time, it might
> have shrunk?

I don't know if this is possible Tom, but my wife insists that her's had
shrunk as well.  I put it on the kayak for 2 weeks before she used it
again and it seemed to be better.

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