I send this email, not in the spirit of trolling for more solutions to the problems I raise or causing anyone to take offense. I have valued every piece of advice everyone has ever given me on this list, but at the same time I feel I need to raise my hand and ask: Does anyone think they have the right solution? Over the last year I've listened to the virtues of foot pumps. A hands free maneuver and simple, foolproof operation being the two biggest. What more could you ask for? As I get further along into installing this valuable piece of safety gear I have to wonder; where did "simple and foolproof" go? Hand pumps (deck mounted or portable) require your hand(s) to be off the paddle; something you want to avoid in rough conditions. Electrical pumps seem to be an accident waiting to happen. Salt water and electricity don't go together. So I decide to go the foot pump direction. Problem #1 is volume. Foot pumps don't pump much volume and are expensive, which leads me to look for cheaper alternatives. The Guzzler 400 & 500 are used by people with success, so I order one. Cheap, and higher volume than the modified chimp pumps, problem number 1 is solved. Problem #2: Who can depress a stock Guzzler foot pump? I have trouble STANDING on the plunger. Cut down the spring, much better but still a leg cramp waiting to happen. Even removing the spring and using foot power to move the plunger both ways is a chore. Why isn't it as easy as my thirsty mate portable? Bungies? More foot entrapment issues or pieces that can break? It doesn't mater, cause problem #3 is mounting the foot pump. Ideally, it should be moveable to fit different size paddlers, but alas, moveable means your feet may get entrapped and you will die. Mounting it to my plastic bulkhead is not an option, it just couldn't take the strain of the constant kicking to compress that heavy spring. Options? Even Current Designs won't return my email offering a viable solution. Glassing in plywood creates a hard spot - another place for my kayak or foot pump to fail. Mounting to a foam plug is an option - Maybe that will work...But will I just press it through the foam when I use the pump? Problem #4 - partially related to #2, but users of other pumps report the same - How to prevent foot or leg cramps? Both hands on the paddle don't help much if your calf muscle kinks up into a tight ball while trying to pump out your flooded kayak - in sea tossing conditions. Now which of your current problems can you focus on? So, here I sit with about $100 in pieces and parts wondering if I'm investing in a good way to get myself killed. The jury rigging is inviting failure and operation by foot is like playing Russian roulette. Despite having very good luck with the electric pump I installed in my Guillemot, I lured myself into what on the surfaced appeared straightforward and the wise way to go. Now I have very strong second thoughts about almost every aspect of foot pumps. They aren't easy to operate. They provide ample opportunity to get tangled in or damage the plumbing. But the biggest danger is to the captain of the ship, with the possibility of sitting in a cockpit full of cold water with leg cramps... This will make re-entry such a challenge if you get dumped back into the drink now. How is a novice, believing the hype, supposed to overcome issues like this? I feel somewhat fortunate because I've worked with epoxy and fiberglass, but what are others to do? I'm going back electric. I think I'll have better chance of solving the problems with the electrical system...Maybe I'll install the foot pump as a back up. Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
You missed one point that I have been wondering about for a while now. The foot pump is supposed to be an asset because you have your hands free for bracing and paddling. If you have one foot off the pegs so you can pump how can you effectively brace? then there is the off balance paddling because one foot is off the pegs, but I suppose you could time your strokes to your pumping rhythm to correct that. Mike -- Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a great blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space. Mark H Hunt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I had to jump in on this one, since the pump thing is something that I no longer have a problem with. I have a Henderson foot pump mounted to a FG bulkhead. The pump is surrounded by 2 inches of dense foam that I use for bracing (no foot pegs) I can and have used the pump under combat conditions in rough* seas. I can brace with little to no loss of support while pumping during which time I am paddling away from the scene. The system I use works: job done. It has worked flawlessly for two years of paddling. It has worked for better paddlers than me for a much longer time. Hope this helps. Cheers, Les * an example: http://members.aa.net/~lesdiane/oclinics.html At 07:46 PM 1/23/00 -0500, Michael R Noyes wrote: >You missed one point that I have been wondering about for a while now. >The foot pump is supposed to be an asset because you have your hands >free for bracing and paddling. If you have one foot off the pegs so you >can pump how can you effectively brace? then there is the off balance >paddling because one foot is off the pegs, but I suppose you could time >your strokes to your pumping rhythm to correct that. > >Mike > >-- > Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are >visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a >great >blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a >mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your >passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space. >Mark H Hunt > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Les, Could you tell me which model Henderson pump you have? Thanks, Woody > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Les & Diane > Uhrich > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:21 PM > To: mnoyes_at_gsinet.net > Cc: Paddlewise > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Foot Pumps > > > I had to jump in on this one, since the pump thing is something that I no > longer have a problem with. I have a Henderson foot pump mounted to a FG > bulkhead. The pump is surrounded by 2 inches of dense foam that I use for > bracing (no foot pegs) I can and have used the pump under combat > conditions in rough* seas. I can brace with little to no loss of support > while pumping during which time I am paddling away from the scene. The > system I use works: job done. It has worked flawlessly for two years of > paddling. It has worked for better paddlers than me for a much > longer time. > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > Les > > * an example: http://members.aa.net/~lesdiane/oclinics.html > > > At 07:46 PM 1/23/00 -0500, Michael R Noyes wrote: > >You missed one point that I have been wondering about for a while now. > >The foot pump is supposed to be an asset because you have your hands > >free for bracing and paddling. If you have one foot off the pegs so you > >can pump how can you effectively brace? then there is the off balance > >paddling because one foot is off the pegs, but I suppose you could time > >your strokes to your pumping rhythm to correct that. > > > >Mike > > > >-- > > Paddling along through fog so thick that only one's thoughts are > >visible, your reverie is abruptly shattered by the ancient cry of a > >great > >blue heron as she lifts uncertainly from the brilliant blue of a > >mussel-shell beach witnessed only by the brooding, wet spruce....your > >passage home seems as much back through time as it does through space. > >Mark H Hunt > > > > > >***************************************************************** > ********** > >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the > author and not > >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > >***************************************************************** > ********** > > > ****************************************************************** > ********* > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the > author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ****************************************************************** > ********* > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Woody, you're facing the same problems we've all had --- and which some continue to have --- in trying to figure out which pump is "best". I'm not as familiar with the Guzzler as you are, but I have a pair of Henderson footpumps in my Pintail and North Bay, and I have an old Henderson deckpump around somewhere. Like you, I'm playing with the idea of electrics, but, like you, I'm concerned with waterproofing the system. I definitely don't want to depend on using a handpump in a sea condition which could knock me out of my boat, and, if I relocate my Pintail's footpump further outboard, I will decrease the likelihood of getting cramps while using it. Like Les, I have my footpumps surrounded by foam, and use that for footrests, vs. using pegs. (And, to address the issue of plugs of minicell foam supporting the pump, my Pintail is set up that way and has been for many years --- and the foam is as firm and thick as it was when it was installed.) Best answer, Woody, keep trying things, and work in the order of the least impact of change on your boat. You'll come up with the Woody-best answer sometime soon! Jack *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: > Woody, you're facing the same problems we've all had ... Ditto what Jack states, there is no _ideal_ solution. For me, the Henderson is the best solution that I've found for the extreme conditions that I prefer to pa ddle in. 3-4 minutes emptying out a swamped boat stinks, but to me it seems a l ot better than all the other alternatives that I've considered. Greg *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Watching with interest and confusion this discussion of pumps, foot, electric and otherwise. The only thing I've seen around here (SF Bay) is the hand-held variety, which appears to be the worst of all possible options. Remove the skirt and occupy both hands, it makes no sense. It would seem to be seeking to turn mishap into disaster. One would think that with the distinct possibility of a kayak being filled with water frome time to time, makers would include various pumping systems as options. Not so. It seems to me they would sell easily but noooooooo, they have air-brushed pictures of dolphins, a kazillion color choices, "day-hatches" and other nonsense to make them more attractive. Go figure. I'm finally breaking down and getting a "real" kayak soon and tops on my list is installing some method of getting the water on the outside, where it belongs. I'd prefer not to chop any more holes in it than necessary (although I do get a "rush" everytime I take a drill and saw to a boat). Since none, zip, zero, nada of the kayak makers I've been considering offer any sort of options regarding installed pumps of any sort, I assume they are an after-market item. Can anyone direct me to a URL where such items are sold? What I'd really like to do is buy the whole shebang as one kit, rather than piecing together some Rube Goldberg contraption that will fail at the worst possible time. Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bob: Some of the British boats like P&H (Derek Hutchinsons company) provide pumps as an option. You might wish to check out their web site for some ideas with your boat. http://www.phseakayaks.com/ Additionally, to address the issue with regards to hands free to pump. I have used sponsons on my boat to stabilize it to fish from and have practiced self rescues with them. I still wouldn't leave the dock without my paddle float (did once to go fishing and blew a hole in the right sponsoon resulting in a dip in the cold water and about twenty minutes to get back in the boat. Not good!). Just a thought. I would like to know what the more experienced paddlers on this page think of the use of sponsoons. Thanks Fred Ca kayaker At 09:25 PM 1/23/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Watching with interest and confusion this discussion of pumps, foot, >electric and otherwise. > >The only thing I've seen around here (SF Bay) is the hand-held variety, >which appears to be the worst of all possible options. Remove the skirt and >occupy both hands, it makes no sense. It would seem to be seeking to turn >mishap into disaster. One would think that with the distinct possibility of >a kayak being filled with water frome time to time, makers would include >various pumping systems as options. Not so. It seems to me they would sell >easily but noooooooo, they have air-brushed pictures of dolphins, a >kazillion color choices, "day-hatches" and other nonsense to make them more >attractive. Go figure. > >I'm finally breaking down and getting a "real" kayak soon and tops on my >list is installing some method of getting the water on the outside, where it >belongs. I'd prefer not to chop any more holes in it than necessary >(although I do get a "rush" everytime I take a drill and saw to a boat). > >Since none, zip, zero, nada of the kayak makers I've been considering offer >any sort of options regarding installed pumps of any sort, I assume they are >an after-market item. Can anyone direct me to a URL where such items are >sold? What I'd really like to do is buy the whole shebang as one kit, >rather than piecing together some Rube Goldberg contraption that will fail >at the worst possible time. > > >Bob > > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not >to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ >*************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ooooh, Fred probably wasn't around for the startup of PaddleWise, was he! An innocent and legitimate question, certainly, but a subject which leaves an unusual taste in the mouths of the folks who initiated this list! Should be interesting..... Jack *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>they have air-brushed pictures of dolphins, a kazillion color choices, "day-hatches" and other nonsense to make them more attractive. Go figure. > Since none, zip, zero, nada of the kayak makers I've been considering offer > any sort of options regarding installed pumps of any sort, good point. essentials missing. keeping costs and complications up front to the punters down I assume they are > an after-market item. Can anyone direct me to a URL where such items are> sold i'd just to go one of the marine stores - real or virtual - they usually stock all the bits adn can advise you. For a pump electric or foot - i'd go in person, get it right , check out the options personally. Shopping on the WWW has its limits for some things - i reckon. otherwise GReat river outfitters might have something specifically for SKs http://users.erols.com/rapids/GRO/ whale make the henderson chimp foot pump, they'll tell you of a distributor if none else on the the list does http://www.whale.ltd.uk/index.asp?kl=1 nick What I'd really like to do is buy the whole shebang as one kit, > rather than piecing together some Rube Goldberg contraption that will fail > at the worst possible time. > > > Bob > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Since none, zip, zero, nada of the kayak makers I've been > considering offer any sort of options regarding installed > pumps of any sort, I assume they are an after-market item. Thanks Bob, I think you did a better job at stating what I was trying to say. If foot pumps are the holy grail of getting your boat dried out (and I'm not in any way saying they aren't), then why aren't they offered by more manufactures as standard or OEM add on equipment? It could be that some of the technical challenges I'm having would have already been solved by the manufacturer, so even if I installed the foot pump myself, the "foundation" would already be there. I too think it would be easier in a kit, preferably one designed for the boat you intend to install it in. Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Great shot of two paddlers on the "icy" Chattahoochee Sunday morning near Roswell, GA. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/p/ap/20000123/us/east_coast_storm_kn9.h tml Jim Tynan Pike Road AL *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hallo everybody, I´back from vacations (yes, it´s summertime here in Argentina). Talking about pumps, check Sea Kayaker Mag.of June 1999, Page 7, Peter Carter´s note about them. I personally agree with him. If you don´t have it then check it at www.acslink.net.au/~pcarter/pumps.html . As a "free time" kayak manufacturer, (I still couldn´t find the way to make a living with it) I don´t include pumps as a standard in my kayak because: 1.- As there is a very personal "taste" for kayaks, there is one for pumps, a nobody likes to be forced to pay for what they don´t like. 2.- Keep the price lower. 3.- I still don´t have a final position made about them. Anyway, I´ll always prefer to rely on a bomb proof roll than on any pump system, but of course, this is not excuse for not having one. Keep paddling Fernando López Arbarello uktkayak_at_interar.com.ar *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Best answer, Woody, keep trying things, and work in the order of the least impact of change on your boat. You'll come up with the Woody-best answer sometime soon! yes indeed my current footrest (was pump) setup in my skerray is mk3 (mk4 if you include the VCP footrests it came with). fiddle, fiddle.... Nicholas Gill School of Geography and Oceanography University of NSW Australian Defence Force Academy Canberra ACT 2600 Ph. 02 6268 8317 Mob. 041 7659440 Fax 02 6268 8313 Email: nicholas.gill_at_adfa.edu.au ---------- > From: JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Foot Pumps > Date: Monday, 24 January 2000 14:05 > > Woody, you're facing the same problems we've all had --- and which some continue to have --- in trying to figure out which pump is "best". I'm not as familiar with the Guzzler as you are, but I have a pair of Henderson footpumps in my Pintail and North Bay, and I have an old Henderson deckpump around somewhere. Like you, I'm playing with the idea of electrics, but, like you, I'm concerned with waterproofing the system. I definitely don't want to depend on using a handpump in a sea condition which could knock me out of my boat, and, if I relocate my Pintail's footpump further outboard, I will decrease the likelihood of getting cramps while using it. Like Les, I have my footpumps surrounded by foam, and use that for footrests, vs. using pegs. (And, to address the issue of plugs of minicell foam supporting the pump, my Pintail is set up that way and has been for many years --- and the foam is as firm and thick as it was when it was installed.) > > Best answer, Woody, keep trying things, and work in the order of the least impact of change on your boat. You'll come up with the Woody-best answer sometime soon! > > Jack > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Like Woody, I don't want to seem an advocate or to rehash an old discussion, but I feel motivated to respond here. Woody wrote of his concern about electrical pumps: >Electrical pumps seem to be an accident waiting to happen. Salt water >and electricity don't go together . Granted, care has to be taken to waterproof the switch, the battery, and all connections. But once you have done this, then maintenance is not difficult. And there's no getting around the fact that a working electric pump can be very handy (being hand- and foot-free when you're stressed and/or fatigued). <big snip> Woody: > I'm going back electric. I think I'll have better chance of solving the >problems with the electrical system...Maybe I'll install the foot pump > as a back up. My back up is the "good old" $20-$25 hand held, which never left my cockpit even when I felt completely confident of the electric pump system. That confidence is maintained by frequent (about once a week during the season) quick and simple checks of physical integrity and electrical continuity. FWIW, the biggest problem (as others have said) in an electrical pump system is the switch. We bought two (expensive) submersible switches from West Marine. These toggle switches are designed to operate submerged in salt water or fresh. They are mounted just below the cockpit coaming in front, off-center, and can be controlled with thumb pressure *through* the spray skirt -- no need to remove the skirt in rough conditions. There are other good switch-mounting options. For example, Nick Gill mounted a switch on the deck and protected the toggle with a plastic guard. The url for the West Marine switch is http://www.westmarine.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201&prrf nbr=7654 Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike wrote, "Personally, I'd look into the two-foot pump arrangements. Someone once posted a link to a web site that showed one (in Germany IIRC). That way, both your feet are on pump pedals. I'm not sure if your feet move in sync or out." Not sure if this is what you're thinking of, Mike, but the Henderson foot pump comes with a pedal about three inches by eight inches, and can be pumped with one or both feet. But, in that case, it's just increased leverage --- two feet on the same pedal. Jack *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:34:31 EST JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: Mike wrote, > "Personally, I'd look into the two-foot pump arrangements. Someone > once posted a link to a web site that showed one (in Germany IIRC). > That way, both your feet are on pump pedals. I'm not sure if your > feet move in sync or out." Look at: http://www.zoelzer.de/sicherheit.htm -- Rainer Schroeter, Marburg, Germany *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> -----Original Message----- > From: JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com [mailto:JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com] > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 6:35 PM > To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Foot Pumps > > > Mike wrote, "Personally, I'd look into the two-foot pump > arrangements. Someone once posted a link to a web site that > showed one (in Germany IIRC). That way, both > your feet are on pump pedals. I'm not sure if your feet move > in sync or out." > To which Jack replied: > Not sure if this is what you're thinking of, Mike, but the > Henderson foot pump comes with a pedal about three inches by > eight inches, and can be pumped with one or both feet. But, > in that case, it's just increased leverage --- two feet on > the same pedal. The posting in question was originally by Bob Denton - He has a picture of a two pedal German-made pump at http://www.flinet.com/gulfstream/paddle.html Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
David Seng wrote: > > Mike wrote, "Personally, I'd look into the two-foot pump > > arrangements. Someone once posted a link to a web site that > > showed one (in Germany IIRC). That way, both > > your feet are on pump pedals. I'm not sure if your feet move > > in sync or out." > > > Rainer Schroeter, Marburg, Germany wrote: > Look at: http://www.zoelzer.de/sicherheit.htm > > That's not the one I'm thinking of, though it's similar. > The posting in question was originally by Bob Denton - He has a picture of a > two pedal German-made pump at http://www.flinet.com/gulfstream/paddle.html > That's the one. It looks like it works asynchronously (i.e one foot forward with the other back). The one Rainer referenced looks like it might be synchronously pedalled - I can't read much of the German text to figure it out. Anyway - thanks. It does seem to me that getting both on the pumping pedals would be easier to cope with than one on a pedal and one on a footpeg. Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Rainer Schroeter, Marburg, Germany wrote: > > > > Look at: http://www.zoelzer.de/sicherheit.htm > > > > > > That's not the one I'm thinking of, though it's similar. > > > The posting in question was originally by Bob Denton - He has a picture of a > > two pedal German-made pump at http://www.flinet.com/gulfstream/paddle.html > > > > That's the one. It looks like it works asynchronously (i.e one foot forward with the > other back). The one Rainer referenced looks like it might be synchronously > pedalled - I can't read much of the German text to figure it out. I am sorry, but the pump is the same on both sites (Bob Denton scanned a picture from the catalogue of Zoelzer). The pump is only the rubber-thing in the middle between the steering-pedals. It works like most other footpumps with a spring inside, you push it with one foot. -- Rainer Schroeter, Marburg, Germany *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mike wrote, "my expectation was that the pump and pedals shown sat inboard of the kayak footpegs and you could take your feet off the footpegs and shift them to the pump pedals to activate the pump. This approach seems to me to be a good one - two footpegs for paddling, two pump pedals for pumping." I'd suggest that this might be a non-issue. In my Pintail --- now, granted, this cockpit provides very limited foot maneuverability --- I have my stock Henderson footpump installed in a minicell foam plug which also serves as my footrest. There really is not much of a problem in easing the ball of my foot over from the footrest (read: pegs) onto the pump pedal to empty out the boat while still having my still resting on the foam plug, allowing solid footing for a continued brace. In a kayak with standard footpegs/rudder pedals, you could easily achieve the same effect by adding some sort of heel brace (hunk of foam secured to whatever the pump is mounted on?) below the pump to complete an integrated footrest. Just a thought, but it eliminates or minimizes the problems in losing a brace with the pumping foot. Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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