Has anyone had any experience with 3M 5200? I'm here working on a custom job for some Lloyd guy in BC. Stories are that this guy really thrashes his boats so I'm making him a stiff yet force absorbing boat of ancient design. Long story short, I opened a (not so new but unopened) tube of 5200 and it was so stiff I needed a pair of pliers to squeeze just a little bit out. That little bit was as stiff as the toothpaste after the cap was left off for about a month. Which is to say far too stiff to work into any adhesive application. Is this the norm? How should fresh 5200 look? Feel? Flow? I'm told that this is the stuff dreams are made of for marine adhesives. Where did I go wrong? Thanks in advance for any and all responses. Jed The waters too hard for paddling. The 5200 is too stiff for building. Do I have to go skiing to get some satisfaction? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>How should fresh 5200 look? Feel? Flow? 5200 is about the same consistency of regular caulk. Only much messier. It gets on everything that it touches. It will also take a minimum of 7 days to get to the point where it doesn't get on everything it touches. After applying, spritz it with water once a day or so to facilitate the cure. There is fast curing 5200, but I've never tried it. One last thing: Once a tube of 5200 has been opened, you have to use it all within a few days or toss it away. Hope this helps, Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
5200 awesome if, I repeat, if, you never want to take it apart again. It should flow like silicone, not familiar with it in cold temps tho. Use it like any othe silicone. Keep in mind,moisture "kicks" it off, so the more humid it is, the quicker it sets up. Contrary to that statement, I use an ice cube to shape it when filling gaps, seams ect. Just shape the cube in palm of your hand,and use it as a trowel or whatever. Scott absolutely no wheres near Cuba today *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've used the fast cure 5200 and it works very well. The rep at West Marine said there was very little difference. cya -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Robert Woodard Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 6:49 AM To: LedJube_at_aol.com; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] 3M 5200 - need advise >How should fresh 5200 look? Feel? Flow? 5200 is about the same consistency of regular caulk. Only much messier. It gets on everything that it touches. It will also take a minimum of 7 days to get to the point where it doesn't get on everything it touches. After applying, spritz it with water once a day or so to facilitate the cure. There is fast curing 5200, but I've never tried it. One last thing: Once a tube of 5200 has been opened, you have to use it all within a few days or toss it away. Hope this helps, Woody *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>Which is to say far >too stiff to work into any adhesive application. Is this the norm? Cold tempertures may have been part of the problem also. They say you can use the 5200 in 40F. If used in tempertures in the 60's are below I would suggest bring the tube inside for a day to aquire room temperture it might help to "soften it up" before use. > > Once a tube of 5200 has been opened, you have to use it all >within a few days or toss it away. > Here's something I do that might help with the shelf life of the 5200. These are things to minimize air curing the 5200 during shelf living. After each use I sqeeze the tube to the point where the adeisve is coming out the tube then I even off the adeisve flush with the end of the nozzle. Then before installing the cap on the tube nozzle I wrap the nozzle with a peice Saran Wrap hanging over on the threads where the cap will be screwed on. Then installing the cap to seal the Saran Wrap. This proceder will elimanate almost all the air trap in the tube during storage. I had tubes last for several months after opening. > > Is it safe to assume that rougher surfaces bond best with the 5200 as >opposed to smooth surfaces? The rougher the better? > As with many adheisves slight roughness is better. Clean the surface well for a good bond. >I've used the fast cure 5200 and it works very well. The rep at West Marine >said there was very little difference. I'ved used both fast and slow cure and found now differance except for the curing times, go fiqure. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The fast cure is a buck or two more expensive?! -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Arthur Hebert Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 4:36 PM To: Robert Woodard; LedJube_at_aol.com; PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] 3M 5200 - need advise >Which is to say far >too stiff to work into any adhesive application. Is this the norm? Cold tempertures may have been part of the problem also. They say you can use the 5200 in 40F. If used in tempertures in the 60's are below I would suggest bring the tube inside for a day to aquire room temperture it might help to "soften it up" before use. > > Once a tube of 5200 has been opened, you have to use it all >within a few days or toss it away. > Here's something I do that might help with the shelf life of the 5200. These are things to minimize air curing the 5200 during shelf living. After each use I sqeeze the tube to the point where the adeisve is coming out the tube then I even off the adeisve flush with the end of the nozzle. Then before installing the cap on the tube nozzle I wrap the nozzle with a peice Saran Wrap hanging over on the threads where the cap will be screwed on. Then installing the cap to seal the Saran Wrap. This proceder will elimanate almost all the air trap in the tube during storage. I had tubes last for several months after opening. > > Is it safe to assume that rougher surfaces bond best with the 5200 as >opposed to smooth surfaces? The rougher the better? > As with many adheisves slight roughness is better. Clean the surface well for a good bond. >I've used the fast cure 5200 and it works very well. The rep at West Marine >said there was very little difference. I'ved used both fast and slow cure and found now differance except for the curing times, go fiqure. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
LedJube_at_aol.com wrote: > > Has anyone had any experience with 3M 5200? > > I'm here working on a custom job for some Lloyd guy in BC. Stories are > that this guy really thrashes his boats so I'm making him a stiff yet force > absorbing boat of ancient design. Long story short, I opened a (not so new > but unopened) tube of 5200 and it was so stiff I needed a pair of pliers to > squeeze just a little bit out. That little bit was as stiff as the > toothpaste after the cap was left off for about a month. Which is to say far > too stiff to work into any adhesive application. Is this the norm? How > should fresh 5200 look? Feel? Flow? 5200 should feel like toothpaste. Nasty, sticks to everything, good for joints subject to bending. I've installed "emergency" port lights (those windows in the cabin of a sailboat with 5200 and nothing else. I saw the boat a few weeks ago and the seal was still good (6 years after) - the owner had "never got round to fixing it right". Good goop! Roger > I'm told that this is the stuff dreams are made of for marine adhesives. > Where did I go wrong? Thanks in advance for any and all responses. > > Jed > The waters too hard for paddling. The 5200 is too stiff for building. Do I > have to go skiing to get some satisfaction? > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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