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From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Camcleats etc
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:58:57 -0800
Directions for a Midshipmen's Hitch can be found at
Http://marinerkayaks.com/mkhtml/xlmanulw.html about 1/2 way through the long
"owners" manual file. Or in Ashely's book of Knots.
The midshipman's hitch, a bowline, figure eight knot and shoelace knot has
gotten me by for years for just about anything I need to tie. These are easy
to learn to tie and remember. The midshipmens hitch holds much better than a
tautline hitch but still slides easily (and the ease of adjustment can be
controlled by how many wraps of the line you take before finishing it off).
The only person I ever saw tie this knot without me having shown it to him
told me it was the only knot they let you tie cargo down with in the Navy
Air Corp. I learned it from my Dad.
Matt Broze
http://www.marinerkayaks.com

>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:51:37 -0600
From: "Larry Koenig" <paddlin_at_home.com>
Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camcleats etc.

- ----- Original Message -----


From: Erik Sprenne <sprenne_at_netnitco.net>
>
>> If this is the same hitch I'm thinking of, I learned it as a tautline
>> hitch.

Larry said:
>Tautline hitch was how I learned it too and I've since been taught a slight
variation that I think is called the midshipman's hitch which does not slide
as well but holds like crazy glue.  It is the knot I use on bow and stern
lines when cartopping, on tent lines and anytime I want to tie the end of a
rope around an object and back onto itself.  It involves slipping the second
loop back   over the first and appears a bit awkward but works great.
Larry Koenig<




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From: <tfj_at_interaccess.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camcleats etc
Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 20:05:06 -0600
The "midshipman's hitch" illustrated at the site below seems to be the same as
the tautline or tent hitch.  In addition to those knots listed by Matt Broze
below, I have found the two types of climbing knots especially useful in
non-climbing contexts over the years:  butterfly knot (a way of tying a loop in
the middle of a rope) and what I think is now commonly called the double water
knot (much better than the sheet bend for tying two ropes together).

Matt Broze wrote:

> Directions for a Midshipmen's Hitch can be found at
> Http://marinerkayaks.com/mkhtml/xlmanulw.html about 1/2 way through the long
> "owners" manual file. Or in Ashely's book of Knots.
> The midshipman's hitch, a bowline, figure eight knot and shoelace knot has
> gotten me by for years for just about anything I need to tie. These are easy
> to learn to tie and remember. The midshipmens hitch holds much better than a
> tautline hitch but still slides easily (and the ease of adjustment can be
> controlled by how many wraps of the line you take before finishing it off).
> The only person I ever saw tie this knot without me having shown it to him
> told me it was the only knot they let you tie cargo down with in the Navy
> Air Corp. I learned it from my Dad.
> Matt Broze
> http://www.marinerkayaks.com
>
> >Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 16:51:37 -0600
> From: "Larry Koenig" <paddlin_at_home.com>
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camcleats etc.
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Erik Sprenne <sprenne_at_netnitco.net>
> >
> >> If this is the same hitch I'm thinking of, I learned it as a tautline
> >> hitch.
>
> Larry said:
> >Tautline hitch was how I learned it too and I've since been taught a slight
> variation that I think is called the midshipman's hitch which does not slide
> as well but holds like crazy glue.  It is the knot I use on bow and stern
> lines when cartopping, on tent lines and anytime I want to tie the end of a
> rope around an object and back onto itself.  It involves slipping the second
> loop back   over the first and appears a bit awkward but works great.
> Larry Koenig<
>
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From: Joe Pylka <pylka_at_castle.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Camcleats etc
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 01:51:56 -0500
> I have found the two types of climbing knots especially useful in
>non-climbing contexts over the years:  butterfly knot (a way of tying a
loop in
>the middle of a rope) and what I think is now commonly called the double
water
>knot (much better than the sheet bend for tying two ropes together).
>
        I use the water knot for tubular webbing rather than rope.  For that
material it works better than any other knot I've tried.
        I also make extensive use of the family of knots based on the
figure-eight knot.


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