I was taught that a diving angle is required to counteract the buoyancy of the blade. The angle canceled the buoyancy very well, it's just enough to ease the strain on the arms to push down. You also tend to lift slightly at the end of the stroke as if pushing off a reverse incline. Lot's of fun Jed In a message dated 2/21/00 10:07:09 PM, CHUCK_at_multitech.com writes: << I am still mystified. Greg Stamer described a forward tilt to Maligiaq's paddle as it entered the water, yet I am sure Maligiaq says on the video that the paddle should enter vertically, though it seems to me that it does indeed have a slight forward tilt. Comment, Greg? Chuck Holst >> *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A hypothesis: I can remember the first time I paddled next to Maligiaq at the '98 DelMarVa retreat and wondered how this young Greenlander could have his own cultural tradition of paddling so screwed up! It was all wrong --- a more vertical stroke, a far longer stroke, exit for the paddle was much too far aft. Where was the true "Greenland tradition"? What I think now, with some time for reflection, is that Maligiaq paddles just exactly like Maligiaq, and not "the Greenlander", 'cause it's just possible that we're looking at idealized and not actual styles when we talk about Greenland paddling, and maybe that idealized style not only doesn't exist but, in fact, shouldn't exist. There are acceptable variations in most styles, and some work better for different people. I think he's learned that, and is paddling optimally for himself, not for a "certified" Greenland style. Maybe. But he sure is fun to watch! Jack Martin *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 23:03 02/21/2000 EST, JCMARTIN43_at_aol.com wrote: > >A hypothesis: I can remember the first time I paddled next to Maligiaq at the '98 DelMarVa retreat and >wondered how this young Greenlander could have his own cultural tradition of paddling so screwed up! >It was all wrong --- a more vertical stroke, a far longer stroke, exit for the paddle was much too far >aft. Where was the true "Greenland tradition"? > >What I think now, with some time for reflection, is that Maligiaq paddles just exactly like Maligiaq, >and not "the Greenlander", 'cause it's just possible that we're looking at idealized and not actual >styles when we talk about Greenland paddling, and maybe that idealized style not only doesn't exist but, >in fact, shouldn't exist. There are acceptable variations in most styles, and some work better for >different people. I think he's learned that, and is paddling optimally for himself, not for a "certified" >Greenland style. Maybe. But he sure is fun to watch! > >Jack Martin i managed to "watch" him as we paddled 17+ miles down an easy river... and he made it look easy. since i've had a bit of experience as an instructor, i watched him, and compared that to what i was seeing, and decided his style fit him... i was able to learn a lot in the time we paddled together... but to put it into another perspective, we paddled a piece of river that is normally run as 2 short day trips, or one really long one. the 10 mile course gets paddled 10 - 15 times a year, as a club trip, more as pick ups. it drops a total of 10 feet in the 10 miles. 2 feet at the put in, 2 feet at a diversion dam, and 6 feet over the rest of the 9.5 miles ... flat!! and generally shallow. the "standard trip" is meet at 9, shuttle by 9:30, on the watre by 10, off the river between 12:30 & 2, depending on flow & amount of playing. the other section drops more, but is flatter on the flats!! and has a dam to portage. you do this part first then the next 10 mile stretch. this piece usually take 1 1/2 to 2 hours.... my tired body followed maligiaq 17.5 miles down the river, including portage from hell**, in 2 1/2 hours. ** it was a 30 minute portage... he wanted to run it, and when i turned ghost white, he reconsidered ;-) ... the water this day was running high, nowhere near flood stage, but i've never seen the dam at this flow. average is 7-800cfs, it was 3200 cfs!! i learned about the sliding stroke, how to use a paddle as a tool to propel your body & boat in various directions, with different forces... then later in the summer i saw other folks trying to mimic what he was doing, and it didn't work for them... isn't that what you're saying ralph?!! mark [ -- #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.jacknjillz.com/paddler [index of Paddling websites I manage] Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club, Colorado River Flows, Poudre Paddlers The Colorado Paddlers' Resource, Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page -- Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. --Pablo Picasso *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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