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From: Nick Von Robison <n.v.rob_at_deltanet.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:51:24 -0700
Shirts, hats, logos, and decals, whew!  How about a PW mascot?
Something on the order below, perfect for putting under the fore deck
bungies?

Seriously, I got this in the mail today from my sister as a birthday
present and thought I'd share "Jack" with you.

-Nick

[Image]

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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:21:15 -0400
>Bill asked:
>T-Shirt:
>	Shirt color?
	Diameter of logo?

>Cap:
>	Cap color? (I like orange for visibility on the water)
>	Diameter of logo?

>Anything else I should worry about???  Any interest in patches?


White shirt always works for me.   The logo would look good against white.
Maybe a 6-7" diameter logo on the back and a 3" diameter on the chest or
sleeve.

Orange sounds good for the cap.  Maybe khaki as well?  3" diameter
patch/embroidery.

Stickers are always in demand.

my 2 cents,

Joe
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From: <volinjo_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:02:45 -0400
I've already told you my suggestions for shirt color, but I'll repeat it,
for all.  I liked white, Bob suggested grey.  Orange is great for
visibility, but the logo is orange.  But it might work for a baseball
cap, if you put the orange logo on a white background.

Personally, I'm not interested in a patch, but others may be.

Joan

On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:08:15 -0400 Bill Leonhardt <WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov>
writes:
> Dear List,
> 
> I am investigating the processing of having T shirts made with the
> Paddlewise logo (maybe baseball caps, too) and I wanted to get some 
> input
> from the list members (those that are interested in this, natch) as 
> to some
> preferences:
> 
> T-Shirt:
> 	Shirt color?
> 	Diameter of logo?
> 
> Cap:
> 	Cap color? (I like orange for visibility on the water)
> 	Diameter of logo?
> 
> Anything else I should worry about???  Any interest in patches?
> 
> Bill Leonhardt
>
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:58:07 EDT
In a message dated 04/26/2000 11:14:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov writes:

<< I am investigating the processing of having T shirts made with the
 Paddlewise logo (maybe baseball caps, too) and I wanted to get some input
 from the list members (those that are interest>>>

At last!  I was wondering when we were going to find out how we can buy stuff 
with the logo.  Yes to patches, caps, and T-Shirts.

I guess a white T-shirt with the orange logo would be good for starters.  Cap 
the same, I guess.  Would you mind checking into prices for visors while 
you're at it???

I would definitely like some decals to stick on my fleet and my two vehicles.

Sandy Kramer
Miami
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From: Wes Boyd <boydwe_at_dmci.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:08:48
At 12:58 PM 4/27/00 EDT, Gypsykayak_at_aol.com wrote:

>
>I would definitely like some decals to stick on my fleet and my two vehicles.
>

Second the motion.

-- Wes

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From: Seng, Dave <Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:47:31 -0800
  There's one question that's bothering me about all of this - who is going
to be fronting all the money for this?  And who is going to be willing to
process orders, do the shipping etc?  My original thought when this logo
idea came up was that it would be up to each individual to take the jpeg of
the logo to their local t-shirt/graphics shop and have whatever they wanted
made.  It's the same model that we use on Paddlewise every day - the
collective body shares information but it's up to each individual to put it
into use in the way that best suits them.

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wes Boyd [mailto:boydwe_at_dmci.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:09 AM
> To: Gypsykayak_at_aol.com; WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov;
> paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
> 
> 
> At 12:58 PM 4/27/00 EDT, Gypsykayak_at_aol.com wrote:
> 
> >
> >I would definitely like some decals to stick on my fleet and 
> my two vehicles.
> >
> 
> Second the motion.
> 
> -- Wes
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From: Joe Brzoza <joebr_at_burton.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:56:49 -0400
Isn't there some special paper that can be bought and used with an inkjet
printer that will allow for iron-on transfers?  Might be a good way to do
the t-shirt thing if it works.

Anyone here of this and/or tried it?
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From: Bill Leonhardt <WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:03:01 -0400
At 09:47 AM 4/27/00 -0800,"Seng, Dave" <Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us> wrote:
>  There's one question that's bothering me about all of this - who is going
>to be fronting all the money for this?  And who is going to be willing to
>process orders, do the shipping etc?  My original thought when this logo
>idea came up was that it would be up to each individual to take the jpeg of
>the logo to their local t-shirt/graphics shop and have whatever they wanted
>made.  It's the same model that we use on Paddlewise every day - the
>collective body shares information but it's up to each individual to put it
>into use in the way that best suits them.
>
>Dave Seng
>Juneau, Alaska
>
Hi Dave,

Here's where we are:

I recognized that some subset of the Paddlewise community would be showing
up here in the NYC area at the end of May and it occurred to me that having
a T-Shirt, or similar, with the Paddlewise logo would be nice.

I asked if we had a logo and Jackie pointed me to it.

I thought I would investigate getting T Shirts made up and I asked the list
their opinions on colors, products, etc.

I have one estimate and hope to get another this weekend.  In the end, I
expect to focus on T shirts and/or caps.  Shirts most likely.  So far, I
see the need for a minimum order, so, when I have all the info, I will
propose a product, color, design size & orientation, etc. I will indicate a
price to cover the product (including set-up, artwork charge), mailing
envelope and postage.  I will advertise it on the list.  If I get a
subscription for at least 80% of a minimum order, I will place the order
and mail the product out to the subscribers.  If it gets too complicated, I
will back off FAST.

Are you still bothered?

Bill
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From: Seng, Dave <Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:30:22 -0800
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Leonhardt [mailto:WJLeonhardt_at_bnl.gov]
>
snip
>  I will advertise it on the list.  If I get a
> subscription for at least 80% of a minimum order, I will 
> place the order
> and mail the product out to the subscribers.  If it gets too 
> complicated, I
> will back off FAST.
> 
> Are you still bothered?

  No Bill - I think that you're an incredibly kind fellow to be undertaking
such a task.  

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
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From: Jim Tynan <kayakbound_at_yahoo.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:04:15 -0700 (PDT)
In addition to Dave taking on the T-shirt challenge,
I'll be happy to work [and front] the production of a
PaddleWise decal.  [If that's all right with you,
Jackie!]

Have already called a company in Texas for a ballpark
quote [print minimum -- 100] just to get an idea on
cost.

Of course, the most important question is:  How many
folks would be interested in purchasing a PaddleWise
decal or three?  

E-mail me direct and I'll compile the responses. 
Also, if you say you're interested, please make sure
you buy one when available! 

Cheers!

Jim Tynan
Pike Road
kayakbound_at_yahoo.com

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From: Seng, Dave <Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:37:01 -0800
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Tynan [mailto:kayakbound_at_yahoo.com]
> 
> In addition to Dave taking on the T-shirt challenge,
> I'll be happy to work [and front] the production of a
> PaddleWise decal.  [If that's all right with you,
> Jackie!]

  Just to clarify things - it's Bill Leonhardt who's doing the t-shirt
project.

  Dave Seng is the skeptic hanging out in Alaska who will probably just do
his own thing.  Maybe it's a self-reliance thing<grin>.

  This sure is a great bunch of folks!  I said it before and I'll probably
say it again - my hat's off to all the folks who make Paddlewise such a
great "place".

Dave Seng
junior curmudgeon
Juneau, Alaska
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From: <MadPoodle_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:19:21 EDT
OK, so put me down for a med and an xxl shirt. Decals? Probally a couple or 
three. Hats? nah, I love the sun!

If you want the cash to help w/setup fee's, let me know!

Scott

Down in the banana republic.....
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From: <MadPoodle_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:21:15 EDT
HP iron on transfer paper. Its "OK", but not great... quality of ink makes a 
big difference. I'm gonna try one in a color laser printer soon.


Scott

Down in the banana republic...
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From: Patrick Maun <pmaun_at_bitstream.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:58:20 -0500
Laser paper works well (Canon Fiery). I've used in on several 
projects where things had to be durable. But for higher quality, 
there are plenty of cheap printing places around that specialize in 
printing small runs of t-shirts and such.

Now, these shirts, they'll be Capilene, right?

-Patrick

At 4:21 PM -0400 4/27/00, MadPoodle_at_aol.com wrote:
>HP iron on transfer paper. Its "OK", but not great... quality of ink makes a
>big difference. I'm gonna try one in a color laser printer soon.
>
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From: Bob Denton <BDenton_at_aquagulf.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:03:20 -0400
I just had some T-shirts done locally and they were $3 apiece for 100 single
color. Each color adds about $1. These were top quality Haynes.

cu

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Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes


Laser paper works well (Canon Fiery). I've used in on several 
projects where things had to be durable. But for higher quality, 
there are plenty of cheap printing places around that specialize in 
printing small runs of t-shirts and such.

Now, these shirts, they'll be Capilene, right?

-Patrick

At 4:21 PM -0400 4/27/00, MadPoodle_at_aol.com wrote:
>HP iron on transfer paper. Its "OK", but not great... quality of ink makes
a
>big difference. I'm gonna try one in a color laser printer soon.
>
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From: <Gypsykayak_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Paddlewise logo on clothes
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:55:30 EDT
Dave Seng said: 
<< There's one question that's bothering me about all of this - who is going
 >to be fronting all the money for this?  And who is going to be willing to
 >process orders, do the shipping etc?  >>
 >
 
Bill said:  
 << So far, I see the need for a minimum order, so, when I have all the info, 
I will
 propose a product, color, design size & orientation, etc. I will indicate a
 price to cover the product (including set-up, artwork charge), mailing
 envelope and postage.  I will advertise it on the list.  If I get a
 subscription for at least 80% of a minimum order, I will place the order
 and mail the product out to the subscribers.  If it gets too complicated, I
 will back off FAST.
 
 Are you still bothered? >>

THANK GOODNESS, BILL.  I was worried when the other guy wanted us to print 
the logo ourselves and iron it onto a T-shirt.   Just tell me how much!  :)

Frankly, I think you should add a little extra for the overheads and personal 
effort.  That way you may not be in too much of a hurry to back off.

Sandy Kramer
Miami
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