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From: Steve James <sljames_at_pacifier.com>
subject: [Paddlewise] Get together ??
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:18:27 -0700
Question Paddle wisers!!

Why when Tina wanted to get together as a group no one said a word, or
wrote any support for this. Now someone else wants to get t-shirts going
for sale and you are ready to jump on it. Come on people, this is a
group for the enjoyment of paddling not JUST for the East coast or for
the West coast. I think that it is a good idea that there is some way to
say that you are a part of a bigger group. That is why I  will buy 2 of
these t-shirts as soon as I can. I also think that if a person has an
Idea, that can pull more than a few people together then lets go for it.
It is not very often that a large group can have a positive inflence on
the public and how they look at us as YAKERS. What better mix of people
then us to show them.

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From: TomW <gadfly911_at_earthlink.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Get together ??
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:36:32 -0700
Steve,

         My experience thus far with kayakers in general, is that they tend 
to be relatively independent [though my view has changed a bit having 
actually had coffee with another kayaker recently-give me a month or so and 
I'll change my signature line perhaps<g>]

         THIS "club" is one that appears to cover nearly the entire 
globe... well... sorta...<g> and yes, that can be a problem getting people 
together...<g>  But I heartily endorse your views however!

         Frankly I cannot afford even one "T."  <shrug> but now decals? 
<VBG> that I may be able to swing, along with hopefully an electric pump 
this month!  I mean we all have out priorities don't we? ;-)

         Fact is that it would indeed seem that a group of people with a 
common interest could get together very well.  It would also seem that you 
make a valid point about how a group of paddlers could possibly influence 
the public.

         The decision about decals is to place them very visibly on both 
ends of my kayak, as well as on my truck on "both ends."  Perhaps that may 
"identify" me to others as being part of this select group?

         I Intend to go to Pt. Townsend this summer and get with at least 
one of the other members of this group, perhaps there will be more?  I 
would love for that to happen!  C'mon you Seattle-ites, it's just a ferry 
boat ride+50 miles...<g>

         OTOH, since I have been a member here from shortly since its 
conception and Wavelength before that, and have only recently met another 
member F2F, if it never happens I guess it is all right too!

         Weather is good for the weekend out here, and one way or the other 
I intend to spend at least Saturday on a lake, and possibly I will shift to 
sea water for Sunday...

         Take care,

                 Tom Weese [Bremerton]

At 10:18 PM 4/28/00 -0700, Steve James wrote:
>Question Paddle wisers!!
>
>Why when Tina wanted to get together as a group no one said a word, or
>wrote any support for this. Now someone else wants to get t-shirts going
>for sale and you are ready to jump on it. Come on people, this is a
>group for the enjoyment of paddling not JUST for the East coast or for
>the West coast. I think that it is a good idea that there is some way to
>say that you are a part of a bigger group. That is why I  will buy 2 of
>these t-shirts as soon as I can. I also think that if a person has an
>Idea, that can pull more than a few people together then lets go for it.
>It is not very often that a large group can have a positive inflence on
>the public and how they look at us as YAKERS. What better mix of people
>then us to show them.
>
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He no longer lives in the close vicinity of seattle...
            <gadfly911_at_earthlink.net>
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From: CA Kayaker <cakayak_at_mindspring.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Get together ?? and/or Join Together By Common Interests
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:11:38 -0700
I have to add my agreement.  There appears to be some validity to the 
independent (there I go) observations of people on the PW list.  Having 
begun paddling in Florida and now living on the West Coast I can tell you 
that the clubs and/or paddlers I have encountered tend to be far more 
independent and less structured as a group than what one would expect.  In 
comparison to the Sierra Club, Mountaineers or other outdoor groups 
paddlers just don't seem to socialize or unify in the same manner.   I have 
made some life long friends flying, climbing and backpacking, but have 
found it difficult to get together with paddlers.

In California there are organizations such as California Kayak Friends, but 
they don't get together as a group yet have trips that folks can join and a 
couple of purported excellent clubs such as BASK and San Diego Kayak 
Club.  Presently there are no clubs in the Los Angeles area or Orange 
County that I can find.  I would like to work on putting a club together in 
the Dana Point area.  There are facilities available to meet and some 
excellent paddling opportunities at our door step.

I believe a more active club structure would have a positive impact on the 
paddling community at large and provide an excellent venue for people to 
enter the sport of sea kayaking in a safer way, gain experience and skill 
and generally grow as a paddler and person.




At 12:36 AM 4/29/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>Steve,
>
>         My experience thus far with kayakers in general, is that they 
> tend to be relatively independent [though my view has changed a bit 
> having actually had coffee with another kayaker recently-give me a month 
> or so and I'll change my signature line perhaps<g>]
>
>         THIS "club" is one that appears to cover nearly the entire 
> globe... well... sorta...<g> and yes, that can be a problem getting 
> people together...<g>  But I heartily endorse your views however!
>
>         Frankly I cannot afford even one "T."  <shrug> but now decals? 
> <VBG> that I may be able to swing, along with hopefully an electric pump 
> this month!  I mean we all have out priorities don't we? ;-)
>
>         Fact is that it would indeed seem that a group of people with a 
> common interest could get together very well.  It would also seem that 
> you make a valid point about how a group of paddlers could possibly 
> influence the public.
>
>         The decision about decals is to place them very visibly on both 
> ends of my kayak, as well as on my truck on "both ends."  Perhaps that 
> may "identify" me to others as being part of this select group?
>
>         I Intend to go to Pt. Townsend this summer and get with at least 
> one of the other members of this group, perhaps there will be more?  I 
> would love for that to happen!  C'mon you Seattle-ites, it's just a ferry 
> boat ride+50 miles...<g>
>
>         OTOH, since I have been a member here from shortly since its 
> conception and Wavelength before that, and have only recently met another 
> member F2F, if it never happens I guess it is all right too!
>
>         Weather is good for the weekend out here, and one way or the 
> other I intend to spend at least Saturday on a lake, and possibly I will 
> shift to sea water for Sunday...
>
>         Take care,
>
>                 Tom Weese [Bremerton]
>
>At 10:18 PM 4/28/00 -0700, Steve James wrote:
>>Question Paddle wisers!!
>>
>>Why when Tina wanted to get together as a group no one said a word, or
>>wrote any support for this. Now someone else wants to get t-shirts going
>>for sale and you are ready to jump on it. Come on people, this is a
>>group for the enjoyment of paddling not JUST for the East coast or for
>>the West coast. I think that it is a good idea that there is some way to
>>say that you are a part of a bigger group. That is why I  will buy 2 of
>>these t-shirts as soon as I can. I also think that if a person has an
>>Idea, that can pull more than a few people together then lets go for it.
>>It is not very often that a large group can have a positive inflence on
>>the public and how they look at us as YAKERS. What better mix of people
>>then us to show them.
>>
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>
>A kayak paddler with a brain injury that is VERY glad
>He no longer lives in the close vicinity of seattle...
>            <gadfly911_at_earthlink.net>
>               homepage: none yet
>
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From: <JSpinner_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Get together ?? and/or Join Together By Common Interests
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:00:07 EDT
    I like these thought and ideas. Independence doesn't mean we can't do 
things together, especially things hard or not wise to do alone.
    On  a side note, I notice that some people are not signing their e-mail. 
This isn't the way I'm used to seeing the list mail. I like knowing who wrote 
what. I know a lot of people by their address but this one and several other 
recent ones, I haven't a clue who is talking.
    If we are such a friendly group can we have some way of referring to 
people? If not a real name at least a nickname would be really nice.

Thanks,
Joan Spinner
Who went through a lot to have this
name and is very proud of it
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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Get together ??
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 07:44:52 -0400
>         Frankly I cannot afford even one "T."  <shrug> but now decals? 
><VBG> that I may be able to swing, along with hopefully an electric pump 
>this month!  I mean we all have out priorities don't we? ;-)

When I place an order for my T-shirt I would be happy to make out a check
for an extra $5 for a "buy TomW a Paddlewise t-shirt fund".  

Congratulations on getting back out there to paddle.  Keep it up.


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From: TomW <gadfly911_at_earthlink.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Shirt and get-togethers
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:32:21 -0700
John,

         Your thoughts and wishes are appreciated, and I am complimented 
indeed.  However, please save the $5 for heavens sake...! <smile>  Use it 
to pay for gasoline to get you and your boat to the water!  KooL! <G>

         I've got to check out the rec. boat for SLUGS [UGH!<g>] and get it 
in the water again today.

         Tomorrow, it will be the Ferry and pick up the w/w boat as I got 
my verification of pool session on the 20th <g>  There I will meet 6 other 
paddlers from the club-you bet I will mention Paddlewise btw! 
<g>  hehehhh... this is and always has been, a wonderful group!

         I too would like to see a "Paddlewise Mingle" out on this 
corner<?> of the country and perhaps we can sometime manage that-I'd be 
willing to do what I could/can to help further that proposition off list if 
needed...<g>  After all, why do you think I was given the nick of "gadfly" 
years ago?<g>

         Take care,

                 Tom...

>When I place an order for my T-shirt I would be happy to make out a check
>for an extra $5 for a "buy TomW a Paddlewise t-shirt fund".
>
>Congratulations on getting back out there to paddle.  Keep it up.

A kayak paddler with a brain injury that is VERY glad
He no longer lives in the close vicinity of seattle...
            <gadfly911_at_earthlink.net>
               homepage: none yet

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From: <volinjo_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Get together ??
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 22:45:42 -0400
As I remember it, the original thought was for a general PW get-together.
 It quickly became apparant that that wasn't going to happen, but some
people indicated interest in more regional get-togetheers - shorter
traveling distances, etc.  The East Coast group picked it up and ran with
it.  I sort of thought there would be other get togethers, in the
Midwest, California, Washington, where ever.  Also, no one said this get
together was ONLY for east coast paddlers - everyone is invited; it just
didn't (and doesn't) seem likely that anyone else was going to make the
trip.  In fact, It doesn't look like all that many from the East Coast
are planning to make the trip, though those of us that do get together
can expect to have a great time.  But anyone else who wants to come is
welcome; we have plenty of room.  

I would like to see periodic get togethers in different areas, so that
whoever is free at a particular time, or close enough, or wants to badly
enough, can go.  It just takes indivduals to say, "hey, let's do this
here and now."

The tee shirts are a great idea.  I would think that anyone on the list
might be interested - not just people who are coming to the NY get
together.

My 2 cts.

Joan

On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:18:27 -0700 Steve James <sljames_at_pacifier.com>
writes:
> Question Paddle wisers!!
> 
> Why when Tina wanted to get together as a group no one said a word, 
> or
> wrote any support for this. Now someone else wants to get t-shirts 
> going
> for sale and you are ready to jump on it. Come on people, this is a
> group for the enjoyment of paddling not JUST for the East coast or 
> for
> the West coast. I
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