I totally agree with the motion of the lower body in the roll. I like to teach a good low brace (J-lean or boat tilt followed by a good snap (head dink, or knee-bone-to-the-chin-bone, or drop the head and the knee magically comes up)), followed by a high brace and sweep, and then show how the roll is composed of these elements. (only from upside down). I always have the student tap three times the paddleblade on the surface so they know it is up there. However, I was surprised my my instructor trainer in my whitewater course serveral years ago who encouraged me to plane my blade under the water....and it worked. So...has anyone else played with this? Since I learned the sweep-roll first, this is my default, and I find it the easiest to do in my sea kayak. Andree Hurley Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/ KIX - http://www.onwatersports.com/KIX *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"plane my blade under the water....and it worked. So...has anyone else played with this?" A little. I tried in one session not long ago to follow the storm roll ideas from Derek Hutchinson's Complete Sea Kayaking. On my good side, I could hold the paddle at 20 - 30 degrees out from the bow, pull it down, then planing out and around underwater, rising, until far enough around to get leverage to roll up. I can't think of any real reason why the blade has to plane on the surface in a roll. The surface is just the highest level on which the blade can sweep. If conditions on the surface are turbulent, as in storm, wind, why not have the blade plane lower, out of all that? I don't know the answer to these questions, maybe more accomplished rollers can comment. Regards, Peter T. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Andree asks: > However, I was surprised my my instructor trainer in my whitewater course > serveral years ago who encouraged me to plane my blade under the > water....and it worked. > > So...has anyone else played with this? > Yes, the paddle blade is best moved out <sweep> in a diving angle. This dumps any resistance for the blade to move OUT to the side and provides a very stable surface once out there. If you video tape GREAT roll models you will see the blade angle is actually diving or neutral. Steve <done with Coastal IDW last weekend, WW ICE this weekend> =:-o) Scherrer Alder Creek Kayak and Canoe 250 NE Tomahawk Isle Dr Portland, OR 97217 Phone: 503.285.0464 Fax: 503.285.0106 Web site: http://www.aldercreek.com Email: acks_at_teleport.com ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andree Hurley" <ahurley_at_viewit.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Pool Session Report (longish) > I totally agree with the motion of the lower body in the roll. I like to > teach a good low brace (J-lean or boat tilt followed by a good snap (head > dink, or knee-bone-to-the-chin-bone, or drop the head and the knee > magically comes up)), followed by a high brace and sweep, and then show > how the roll is composed of these elements. (only from upside down). > > I always have the student tap three times the paddleblade on the surface > so they know it is up there. > > However, I was surprised my my instructor trainer in my whitewater course > serveral years ago who encouraged me to plane my blade under the > water....and it worked. > > So...has anyone else played with this? > > Since I learned the sweep-roll first, this is my default, and I find it > the easiest to do in my sea kayak. > > > Andree Hurley > Web Sites for Specialty Businesses - http://www.viewit.com/ > KIX - http://www.onwatersports.com/KIX > > > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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