Some one just pointed out to me a 1995 K-Light that is going for $1,525 on Ebay! It is: Title of item: Feathercraft K-Light Folding Kayak Seller: davidcortner_at_pobox.com Starts: Mar-29-00 18:52:51 PST Ends: Apr-08-00 19:52:51 PDT Price: Currently $1,525.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=296305366 The model is the old original form of the K-Light which weighed 29 pounds. It has the lighter hull material that the company abandoned by 1996 and a 2 piece aluminum tubular coaming; the combination allowed them to use a carrying bag that is several inches shorter and less wide than the current ones. I think by that time the company started putting on keelstrips that were of the heavier hypalon material rather than the light stuff. That would bring the weight to 30 pounds but prove tougher. Guess what the new price for that older model was back then? $1,580. So a five year old boat is at a bid just $55 less than the original price. True it does include the 4-piece paddle which then went for about $200. I am amazed! ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:51 PM 4/7/00 -0700, ralph diaz wrote: >Some one just pointed out to me a 1995 K-Light that is going for $1,525 >on Ebay! > I can beat that. There's a 1998 Klepper Aerius II on allaboutboats for a flat $1000! http://www.allaboutboats.com/search/boat/? Search under "kayak". The boat is located in New Jersey. There's a couple other good deals on there, too. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Wes Boyd wrote: > > At 05:51 PM 4/7/00 -0700, ralph diaz wrote: > >Some one just pointed out to me a 1995 K-Light that is going for $1,525 > >on Ebay! > > > > I can beat that. There's a 1998 Klepper Aerius II on allaboutboats for a > flat $1000! > > http://www.allaboutboats.com/search/boat/? It may be a bogus ad. The package listed is worth about $5,000 or more new. Or someone is selling it as a part of an ugly divorce and is trying to screw his/her ex of the cash value. Or someone really doesn't know its value. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ralph Diaz wrote: > Wes Boyd wrote: > > I can beat that. There's a 1998 Klepper Aerius II on allaboutboats for a > > flat $1000! > > > > http://www.allaboutboats.com/search/boat/? > > It may be a bogus ad. The package listed is worth about $5,000 or more > new. Or someone is selling it as a part of an ugly divorce and is > trying to screw his/her ex of the cash value. Or someone really doesn't > know its value. > > ralph diaz Well, I called about this boat :-) This price does not include the skin and the gentleman selling the boat says he refinished the wooden frame. I can't imagine why a 1998 frame would need to be refinished but I'd really want to see this first. He said the skins run about 2,000, he bought the frame at some kind of sailing event and does not know what happened to the skin. Location is New Jersey. Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Read the ad carefully. It does not include the hull. I just called and confirmed this. It is also not a 98. That's when the present owner purchased it used from a sailing club. It is also missing sails, and basically all fabric items. He has revarnished it. Anyone know what a klepper frame is used of unknown age? "The folding wood frame of this 17 foot Eskimo-style kayak, which is for sale..." Paul > > > > At 05:51 PM 4/7/00 -0700, ralph diaz wrote: > > >Some one just pointed out to me a 1995 K-Light that is going for $1,525 > > >on Ebay! > > > > > > > I can beat that. There's a 1998 Klepper Aerius II on allaboutboats for a > > flat $1000! > > > > http://www.allaboutboats.com/search/boat/? > >It may be a bogus ad. The package listed is worth about $5,000 or more >new. Or someone is selling it as a part of an ugly divorce and is >trying to screw his/her ex of the cash value. Or someone really doesn't >know its value. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Paul Raymond wrote: > > Read the ad carefully. It does not include the hull. I just called and > confirmed this. It is also not a 98. That's when the present owner purchased > it used from a sailing club. It is also missing sails, and basically all > fabric items. He has revarnished it. Anyone know what a klepper frame is > used of unknown age? > > "The folding wood frame of this 17 foot Eskimo-style kayak, which is for > sale..." I wondered about the possibility of it being just the frame and sailing hardware. But the language was unclear. It is a bit lacking in ethics to call it a 1998 because he purchased it in 1998. There are ways of telling what range of years the frame might be just by looking at the piece. While there is complete compatability of that Aerius line from the early 1950s to present day (you could take a Number 3 rib for example from Dr. Lindemann's 1956 transatlantic boat and place it in a boat made in 2000) there are little subtle differences that helps pin down the years some. And if it is of a more recent vintage, of say the last 15 years, even the individual year. All the pieces seem to be there from his count of frame parts. Since wooden frames can go on forever (I have parts from a 1930s boat that are still supple for a specific placement that needs them not to be stiff) it would be okay to buy and then get a hull. You would in effect have a new boat. All the sailing hardware is handy too as a sail can be made or bought and a jib which is necessary for that sail arrangement to beat upwind. I have a friend here in New York City, an artist/sculptor, who is well into the Greenland kayak culture (an enormous personal library) and paddles a Betsie Bay. Prominently hanging in his loft studio/home is the frame of a single Klepper from the 1960s or 1970s. It is a cherished work of art as are other objects he has acquired or created. He is talking about trying to temporarily skin it with heat shrink nylon to see how it would behave. The boat, the Aerius I, normally has a beam of 28 inches because of sponsons. A shrink skin tightly on it would bring the beam down to 22.5 inches (we measured it with allowance for skin thickness). Would be interesting to see what kind of boat it would be then and how it would handle. Probably like the T-9 which is a non-Aerius version of Klepper that was made until fairly recently. You know, I have been at this folding kayak stuff for a dozen years now (10 years with the newsletter). You would think that by now I would have become jaded, bored or blase about things like looking at a frame, or watching a folding kayak being assembled. But it still excites me. I still get the same kick out of the frames and the magical apparition of a boat from a bag that I got when I first saw one emerge. I hope I never lose the joy. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> > I wondered about the possibility of it being just the frame and sailing > hardware. But the language was unclear. > > It is a bit lacking in ethics to call it a 1998 because he purchased it > in 1998. I agree. The ad is quite misleading. When I called the man, I specifically asked him if it was 1998 and he said yes. Though he told me he refinished it, he did not say in 1998. Here it is (it does not say the skin is not included though once you know the facts you can read "the folding wood frame is for sale" and not "this 17 foot Eskimo-style kayak, which is for sale"): 1998 Klepper Aerius II Kayak , 17 feet, Klepper Aerius Two-Seater. This is same type of kayak that Hannes Lindemann used to cross the Atlantic Ocean. The folding wood frame of this 17 foot Eskimo-style kayak, which is for sale, consists of 27 wooden parts, two seats, and two backrests. The asking price of $1000 also includes: a cockpit cover, boat cart, two double paddles, rudder, lee board crossbar, two lee boards, main mast, the gaff mast, and boom. This Klepper kayak is located in Northern New Jersey.For pictures go to the Klepper web site. $1,000.00, (I have omitted the telephone number) Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:26 AM 4/8/00 -0700, Jackie Fenton wrote: >I agree. The ad is quite misleading. When I called the man, I specifically >asked him if it was 1998 and he said yes. Though he told me he refinished it, >he did not say in 1998. Here it is (it does not say the skin is not included >though once you know the facts you can read "the folding wood frame is for >sale" and not "this 17 foot Eskimo-style kayak, which is for sale"): You're right, it is misleading. I never picked up on it. Sorry to have touched off your bargian hunter instincts. However, I do check this site and search under "kayaks" from time to time, because I do see some pretty good bargians go past on it. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From boydwe_at_dmci.net Sat Apr 8 13:26 PDT 2000 > > At 10:26 AM 4/8/00 -0700, Jackie Fenton wrote: > > >I agree. The ad is quite misleading. When I called the man, I specifically > >asked him if it was 1998 and he said yes. Though he told me he refinished > it, > >he did not say in 1998. Here it is (it does not say the skin is not included > >though once you know the facts you can read "the folding wood frame is for > >sale" and not "this 17 foot Eskimo-style kayak, which is for sale"): > > You're right, it is misleading. I never picked up on it. Sorry to have > touched off your bargian hunter instincts. No apology necessary. I didn't pick up on it either until I called the guy. That's what makes it misleading. You know what they say about "if it sounds too good to be true... " Never hurts to check it out, though. Maybe $1000 for a refinished frame that had all the parts plus everything else he was offering is a reasonable price. Hard to tell without knowing the real age of the kayak frame and seeing it. I'll bet he has wasted a lot of his own time with his ad and wishes he had been more accurate with his description :-) But like Ralph said, a good frame and new skin and you could basically have a new boat. I think the man said the skin was $2000. Not too bad. Cheers, Jackie (always interested in hearing about a good deal on a double folder) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:50 PM 4/8/00 -0700, Jackie Fenton wrote: >> From boydwe_at_dmci.net Sat Apr 8 13:26 PDT 2000 >> You're right, it is misleading. I never picked up on it. Sorry to have >> touched off your bargian hunter instincts. > >No apology necessary. I didn't pick up on it either until I called the >guy. That's what makes it misleading. You know what they say about >"if it sounds too good to be true... " Never hurts to check it out, >though. Maybe $1000 for a refinished frame that had all the parts plus I wish now that I had included "caveat emptor" in my original reply. >everything else he was offering is a reasonable price. Hard to tell >without knowing the real age of the kayak frame and seeing it. I'll bet >he has wasted a lot of his own time with his ad and wishes he had been >more accurate with his description :-) But like Ralph said, a good >frame and new skin and you could basically have a new boat. I think the >man said the skin was $2000. Not too bad. As I just wrote to Ralph in a back channel, bargains do occasionally come up, whether, from his observation, messy divorces or just not knowing the real worth. There are other reasons. On another yacht sales site, there are at least two boats for sale that could well be at 10-20% of their true value. One is part of an estate sale, and the other was donated to some foundation. Apparently the people selling aren't sailors and don't want to have to deal with the slippage, overhead and maintenance involved, and just want the boats out of their faces. Both of the boats are in California, and moving them to this part of the world, however, makes them not such a great deal. Stuff like that does come up, however, and it never hurts to keep your ears on. -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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