Hi Folks- I know this question has come up before but I didn't save any of the answers, so my apologies in advance for repetition... The foam padding that was in my cockpit to add knee support fell out the other day (strangely it happened when I was unloading the boat from its slings and accidently dropped it on the cement garage floor...the boat was fine, the padding,not so much so...bizarre). Anyway, I now have to glue the padding back in. I didn't glue it the first time, so i have no idea what to use to do this. Preferably I'd like something that isn't going to randomly fall out. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Allison ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Allison Corning wrote: > > The foam padding that was in my cockpit to add knee support fell out the > other day Anyway, I now have to glue the > padding back in. I didn't glue it the first time, so i have no idea what to > use to do this. Preferably I'd like something that isn't going to randomly > fall out. Any suggestions? > Weldwood contact cement in the red can from Home Depot or Ace Hardware. Around $3/pint. Or Hydrogrip from the outfitter. Around $3/ounce. You do the math. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Allison Corning wrote: > The foam padding that was in my cockpit to add knee support fell out the > other day (strangely it happened when I was unloading the boat from its > slings and accidently dropped it on the cement garage floor...the boat was > fine, the padding,not so much so...bizarre). Anyway, I now have to glue the > padding back in. I didn't glue it the first time, so i have no idea what to > use to do this. Preferably I'd like something that isn't going to randomly > fall out. Any suggestions? Weldwood Contact Cement, the solvent-based version, not the water-based version, available in hardware stores. Thoroughly roughen both surfaces with 80-grit sandpaper, apply one coat with cheap disposable brush, allow to "dry," and follow with another coat. Fifteen minutes to half an hour later, press together firmly -- and you only get ONE chance for correct placement. Aquaseal will also work, but at much greater cost. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Allison Corning wrote: > The foam padding that was in my cockpit to add knee support fell out the > other day (strangely it happened when I was unloading the boat from its > slings and accidently dropped it on the cement garage floor...the boat was > fine, the padding,not so much so...bizarre). Anyway, I now have to glue the > padding back in. I didn't glue it the first time, so i have no idea what to > use to do this. Preferably I'd like something that isn't going to randomly > fall out. Any suggestions? Then Dave Kruger wrote: >Weldwood Contact Cement, the solvent-based version, not the water-based >version, available in hardware stores. Thoroughly roughen both surfaces with >80-grit sandpaper, apply one coat with cheap disposable brush, allow to "dry," >and follow with another coat. Fifteen minutes to half an hour later, press >together firmly -- and you only get ONE chance for correct placement. Do you coat both the foam and the mating surface with the cement or just the surface of the foam? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> -----Original Message----- > From: Allison Corning [mailto:acorning_at_hotmail.com] > > The foam padding that was in my cockpit to add knee support > fell out the > other day (strangely it happened when I was unloading the > boat from its > slings and accidentally dropped it on the cement garage > floor...the boat was > fine, the padding,not so much so...bizarre). Anyway, I now > have to glue the > padding back in. I didn't glue it the first time, so i have > no idea what to > use to do this. Preferably I'd like something that isn't > going to randomly > fall out. Any suggestions? Check your local paddling shop for a product called HydroGrip - I believe it's a Perception product, but I can't quite picture the container and may be wrong about that... Good stuff for gluing foam to plastic. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Brzoza [mailto:joebr_at_burton.com] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:46 AM > > > Do you coat both the foam and the mating surface with the > cement or just the > surface of the foam? Contact cement needs to be applied to both surfaces. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 5/15/2000 10:50:21 AM Central Daylight Time, Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us writes: > Check your local paddling shop for a product called HydroGrip - I believe > it's a Perception product, The last time I talked to Perception, now Harmony Accessories, in April, they said they had discontinued Hydrogrip "for environmental reasons" and were recommending a 3M spray adhesive which they weren't yet stocking. Apparently there was some problems with selling Hydrogrip as configured, in California. I have some of the 3M stuff on order for the store I buy for, but don't have any experience with it yet. Anyone know anything about the 3M product? -Andy Knapp Minneapolis *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
AndyTKnapp_at_cs.com wrote: > The last time I talked to Perception, now Harmony Accessories, in April, they > said they had discontinued Hydrogrip "for environmental reasons" and were > recommending a 3M spray adhesive which they weren't yet stocking. Apparently > there was some problems with selling Hydrogrip as configured, in California. > I have some of the 3M stuff on order for the store I buy for, but don't have > any experience with it yet. > > Anyone know anything about the 3M product? Which adhesive is it? IIRC, 3M markets a spectrum of adhesives of this type. The Weldwood product I mentioned is a polyisocyanate, and would adapt to a spraycan delivery system. Might mention that I have also used a spray mount adhesive from Duro (a division of Loctite; adhesive MS-H 81088) which is designed for either temporary or permanent mounting of paper onto cardboard (etc.), but is good for low-stress applications. The can I have dates back to 1992, so they may have changed the formulation. It is not as strong as the Weldwood Contact Cement, and I do not believe it is a polyisocyanate. (Can does not say.) -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR chemist *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Andy, I have not tried the 3M product, but my experience with "environmentally friendly" contact cement has been negative. There are some water based latex adhesives that claim to contact cement, but they just don't have the same holding power. Many large scale operations (Andersen Windows for example) have gone to solvent free adhesives that reduce pollution and work quite well, but normally these are hot glues or other special products that need special handling. For kayak glues I say look for all those nasty solvents (toluene, xylenes, tetrahydorfuran etc.). If it says toxic waste on the can it will stick, if it doesn't then do a test glue patch first to see if it really works. California is so worried about hydrocarbon emissions that they have virually outlawed oil based paints and solvents. Of course the reason California is in such an air pollution fix has nothing to do with a few cans of paint. Its all those thousands and thousands of cars and a total lack of mass transit in Southern CA (you can thank GM and some evil corporate manouvering to replace electric trains and trolleys with buses etc. etc. years ago) As and environmental consultant I really can't see the harm in releasing a few grams of toluene into the atmosphere, from gluing in new kayak thigh pads. Besides if you can manage to spill a few thousand gallons of the stuff it might be a work opportunity for my company! AndyTKnapp_at_cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/15/2000 10:50:21 AM Central Daylight Time, > Dave_Seng_at_health.state.ak.us writes: > > > Check your local paddling shop for a product called HydroGrip - I believe > > it's a Perception product, > > The last time I talked to Perception, now Harmony Accessories, in April, they > said they had discontinued Hydrogrip "for environmental reasons" and were > recommending a 3M spray adhesive which they weren't yet stocking. Apparently > there was some problems with selling Hydrogrip as configured, in California. > I have some of the 3M stuff on order for the store I buy for, but don't have > any experience with it yet. > > Anyone know anything about the 3M product? > > -Andy Knapp > Minneapolis > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
wanewman_at_uswest.net wrote: > I have not tried the 3M product, but my experience with "environmentally > friendly" contact cement has been negative. There are some water based latex > adhesives that claim to contact cement, but they just don't have the same holding > power. Let me weigh in with my C$0.02 (don't even bother with the US value) :-) I've used the LePage water-based contact cement on low stress stuff with some success. The thigh pads on my SK are still in place after almost two years, though the edges are peeling. This is comparable to the factory installed i-dunno-what-glue pads on my Perception WW kayak. I've also used it to build up thin layers of foam into a thick hip pad. The result is in a nylon cloth wrap, so it doesn't get much shear stress, nor tension. It's also holding. YMMV Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I use the Scotch Super 90 spray adhesive. > > > > Anyone know anything about the 3M product? > > Which adhesive is it? IIRC, 3M markets a spectrum of adhesives of this type. > The Weldwood product I mentioned is a polyisocyanate, and would adapt to a > spraycan delivery system. > -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://users.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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