What do you do when you've got a boat that you just love, but it has a day hatch and the deck fittings aren't layed out to support paddle float rescue rigging? I'm ordering a Romany Explorer, and I'd like to get that added level of safety that comes with the paddle-float rigging. The boat has a day hatch and the stock rear-deck rigging is setup for storing a spare paddle. There are no bungies that could support a paddle in a rescue. Since I'm ordering the boat with some extra options and will likely have to wait for it to be built :-(, I was considering having the deck fittings customized to allow the crossed bungies between the day hatch and the rear hatch. Has anyone done this with their boat? My initial concern is that the paddle would be too far back on the boat, and it would not sufficiently support my weight as I climb back on the boat. Does anyone else think this could be a problem? For that matter, has anyone tried putting the bungies right behind the cockpit where the day hatch is? With the VCP hatch cover, would it even be possible to slip the blade over the hatch cover and under the lines? Is this worth even considering, or should I order the boat with stock fittings and play around myself with a drill and some bolt-on fittings once I get the boat? All experiences, facts, and opinions are welcome. Thanks. Evan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Evan Easton wrote: > What do you do when you've got a boat that you just love, but it has a day > hatch and the deck fittings aren't layed out to support paddle float rescue > rigging? I'm ordering a Romany Explorer, and I'd like to get that added > level of safety that comes with the paddle-float rigging. The boat has a > day hatch and the stock rear-deck rigging is setup for storing a spare > paddle. There are no bungies that could support a paddle in a rescue. Rather than going with a conventional criss-cross bungie arrangement for self rescue, you might consider an alternative rigging to avoid interference with the day hatch cover. One that comes to mind uses a couple of T cleats and a couple of jam cleats. A line loops over the paddle shaft (rather than the blade) and engages the cleats. Impossible to describe without a picture - and easier to understand if it's actually demonstrated. Advantages are that it takes up less deck real-estate. Disadvantages are that there are fiddly bits on the deck to catch on, it uses the shaft instead of the blade - hence you have less leverage, and probably others. I wish I could give you a url to a picture but I can't find one. However, if you look at page 54 of the Oct 99 issue of Sea Kayaker, there's a photo (article by our own Doug Lloyd). Mike *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Michael Daly wrote: > > Evan Easton wrote: > > > What do you do when you've got a boat that you just love, but it has a day > > hatch and the deck fittings aren't layed out to support paddle float rescue > > rigging? [snip] > > Rather than going with a conventional criss-cross bungie arrangement > for self rescue, you might consider an alternative rigging to avoid > interference with the day hatch cover. One that comes to mind uses > a couple of T cleats and a couple of jam cleats. A line loops over the > paddle shaft (rather than the blade) and engages the cleats. Impossible > to describe without a picture [snip] Another method, but also with fiddly bits on the deck to snag, uses a pair of ladder-lock buckled loops, one on each side just aft of the cockpit, anchored to the deck. The ladder-locks make it easy to snap in the paddle shaft, snug it tight, and then self-rescue. The ladder-locks also make release of the paddle less cumbersome than sliding the blade out from under bungies. This system is one I copied from Rich Mitchell (Corvallis, OR). I also have bungies, which I would use in preference to the ladder-locks, 'cause I think the bungies are more robust, and cause I don't think extracting the paddle is all that tough. Others who sometimes use my boats seem to find paddle extraction the tricky part. YMMV. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My Nordkaap has a day hatch AND paddle float rigging. One of the bungees is almost touching the VCP hatch cover but its no problem. cya -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net]On Behalf Of Evan Easton Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 7:02 PM To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subject: [Paddlewise] Paddle Float Rigging and Day Hatches What do you do when you've got a boat that you just love, but it has a day hatch and the deck fittings aren't layed out to support paddle float rescue rigging? I'm ordering a Romany Explorer, and I'd like to get that added level of safety that comes with the paddle-float rigging. The boat has a day hatch and the stock rear-deck rigging is setup for storing a spare paddle. There are no bungies that could support a paddle in a rescue. Since I'm ordering the boat with some extra options and will likely have to wait for it to be built :-(, I was considering having the deck fittings customized to allow the crossed bungies between the day hatch and the rear hatch. Has anyone done this with their boat? My initial concern is that the paddle would be too far back on the boat, and it would not sufficiently support my weight as I climb back on the boat. Does anyone else think this could be a problem? For that matter, has anyone tried putting the bungies right behind the cockpit where the day hatch is? With the VCP hatch cover, would it even be possible to slip the blade over the hatch cover and under the lines? Is this worth even considering, or should I order the boat with stock fittings and play around myself with a drill and some bolt-on fittings once I get the boat? All experiences, facts, and opinions are welcome. Thanks. Evan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
RE: Rigging Romany for paddle-float (outrigger) rescue: Someone on the list suggested using velcro. I'm going to try that on the boat I'm finishing now, using the 2 inch wide stuff. Bungies at the same place as the day hatch would probably interfere with using the hatch while in the boat, but velcro could be left slightly loose except when you need it for rescue. I think that putting the bungies behind the day hatch cover would probably support the boat well enough, but it would be very difficult to get the paddle out of the bungies without re-capsizing once you were back in the boat. Maybe if you had extra-extra long arms and a back as limber as a contortionist.... Bill Hansen Ithaca NY *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 06:02 PM 5/22/2000 -0500, Evan Easton wrote: >What do you do when you've got a boat that you just love, but it has a day >hatch and the deck fittings aren't layed out to support paddle float rescue >rigging? Evan, I have been paddling and teaching out of a Romany 16 for the past few months and find that you really do not need rigging at all. I have just been using the perimeter deck line that runs on the opposite side of the day hatch. With just very little practise I have managed to get into the boat in about five seconds once the rig was set up. However I can only use it to come up from the left side. If you come up from aft of the paddle there is a chance the paddle will swing away from you. Practise, practise, practise. Brgds Jeffrey T. Bingham Manager of Flight Operations Amerijet International, Inc. Phone: 954-635-2007 Fax: 954-635-2039 Cell: 954-205-5063 <mailto:jbingham_at_amerijet.com>jbingham_at_amerijet.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> What do you do when you've got a boat that you just love, but it has a day hatch and the deck fittings aren't layed out to support paddle float rescue rigging? >> My Romany is so easy to roll -- and reenter and roll -- that I haven't bothered attaching bungies for a paddlefloat. Also, I have had no trouble getting back into the cockpit when I simply hold the paddle, with paddlefloat, against the coaming. Even though it's a Greenland paddle, it doesn't move around much once my weight is on it. However, last Sunday I loosened part of the perimeter line on the foredeck of my Romany so I could stick the blade of my Greenland paddle under it. The idea is to use the paddle to stabilize the boat while refastening the sprayskirt after a reentry and roll, but it might also stabilize it enough to scramble up on deck if the reentry and roll fails. The first test will be tomorrow evening. Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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