Found this on RBP. http://www.thetelegram.com/ "Peter Bray’s kayak capsized about 40 kilometres east of St. John’s Friday and the 43-year-old ex-military officer spent 31 hours in the rubber life-raft in waters with a temperature of 4 degrees Celsius." It's a shame for him to have failed. I hope they send him a bill for the rescue effort involved. Cheers, -- Rob Cookson "I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the Atmosphere." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, 1787. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have my doubts about the integrity of an expedition where the kayak (if thats what it is!) SINKS after captising. Haven't they heard of bulkheads. David Down under > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Cookson [SMTP:rob_cookson_at_mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, 19 June 2000 9:14 > To: Paddlewise_at_Lists. Intelenet. Net > Subject: [Paddlewise] Atlantic crossing failed > > Found this on RBP. > > http://www.thetelegram.com/ > > "Peter Bray's kayak capsized about 40 kilometres east of St. John's Friday > and the 43-year-old ex-military officer spent 31 hours in the rubber > life-raft in waters with a temperature of 4 degrees Celsius." > > It's a shame for him to have failed. I hope they send him a bill for the > rescue effort involved. > > Cheers, > > -- > Rob Cookson > "I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the > Atmosphere." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, > 1787. > > > ************************************************************************** > * > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and > not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > ************************************************************************** > * *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
How was the weather in the area where he sank? If he lost the boat in fairly calm seas only 40 km into his trip (what percent of the entire trip is that?), it is also extremely embarrassing. One hopes that he is not stubborn enough to try again. He might actually double his distance and make 80 km this time. "Whyte, David" wrote: > I have my doubts about the integrity of an expedition where the kayak (if > thats what it is!) SINKS after captising. Haven't they heard of bulkheads. > > David > Down under > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Cookson [SMTP:rob_cookson_at_mindspring.com] > > Sent: Monday, 19 June 2000 9:14 > > To: Paddlewise_at_Lists. Intelenet. Net > > Subject: [Paddlewise] Atlantic crossing failed > > > > Found this on RBP. > > > > http://www.thetelegram.com/ > > > > "Peter Bray's kayak capsized about 40 kilometres east of St. John's Friday > > and the 43-year-old ex-military officer spent 31 hours in the rubber > > life-raft in waters with a temperature of 4 degrees Celsius." > > > > It's a shame for him to have failed. I hope they send him a bill for the > > rescue effort involved. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Rob Cookson > > "I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the > > Atmosphere." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, > > 1787. > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > > * > > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and > > not > > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > > ************************************************************************** > > * > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
David said: >>I have my doubts about the integrity of an expedition where the kayak (if that's what it is!) SINKS after capsizing. Haven't they heard of bulkheads.<< Well, it didn't actually sink. If it had, the fish boat may have not been on the lookout for Peter, once they saw the "kayak" floating hull up. What did sink will be the public's estimation of the preparedness of this gentleman. It's kind of funny...I was looking over Peter Bray's web site on Friday. As I read, I noticed an adventurous resonance about the purpose of the trip (the charity aspect aside), where terms such as "CHALLENGING" the North Atlantic seemed to leap out of the descriptors. I had a gut feeling in my heart that Peter was "diss'n" Ma nature. I never got that sense from Arthur's internet verbalized ministrations. Anyway, I'll take a Klepper any day - but then I guess that's considered sailing. Well, I should talk...just spent the latter part of Father's day "challenging" Juan De Fuca Strait today. It's been blowing 35 knots all afternoon. There was sooooo much seaweed from the two day blow inside the shore break, that by the time I exited the break, the kayak had turned from yellow to green! Took me 15 minutes with a hose on high to get it all washed off upon return. (Took me 10 minutes to turn into the wind, too, today. Not in my usual tip-top form these days). My 6 year old daughter awoke me this morning, announcing the windy day beating at the trees at first light, and asked me to at least spend some time with her for Father's day -- then gave me a hand written poem: Smiling days, happy ways, I love you, yes I do, And that's my poem for you. Happy Father's day to all you paddling Dads out there. And happy crossings! BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Well, it didn't actually sink." The Telegram report, in part, is:- "Jan Woodford of the St. John’s rescue co-ordination centre said Bray managed to inflate and board his life-raft, which was attached to his kayak. He tied the raft to the kayak until it sank, she said, then he drifted for several hours until he came upon some fishing gear. He tied the raft to it and stayed put until his rescue. " Regards, Peter Treby 37* 42' S 148* 08' E *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The news website http://www.thetelegram.com/ reported it as sinking "He tied the raft to the kayak until it sank" but later I checked Peters website and it was a different story though I suspect it took in a lot more water than a normal cockpit and was probably submerged. I thought it rather ironic that Tony Bullimore was the patron. For those in America that may not have heard the story. It was quite a news item down under when the Australian Navy went and rescued Tony from the very south when his yacht captised. He was trapped inside the upturned for several days David > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Lloyd [SMTP:dlloyd_at_telus.net] > Sent: Monday, 19 June 2000 15:48 > To: PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Atlantic crossing failed > > David said: > > >>I have my doubts about the integrity of an expedition where the kayak > (if > that's what it is!) SINKS after capsizing. Haven't they heard of > bulkheads.<< > > Well, it didn't actually sink. If it had, the fish boat may have not > been on the lookout for Peter, once they saw the "kayak" floating hull > up. What did sink will be the public's estimation of the preparedness of > this gentleman. > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I had the opportunity to meet Peter Bray in Wales. I even took a canoe safety course from him. However, I missed seeing Peter Bray's kayak, It had left Anglessey a day or two before I arrived. I will be interested in reading more about the incident. I have to say, I am certainly glad Peter survived the ordeal. Peter is a very fine fellow. Not arrogant at all. The kind of person that goes out of his way to be helpful to a stranger. Peter has a captivating personality; someone you just like immediately. He certainly has my respect. Peter's website: http://www.outdoorchallenge.co.uk/nakc2000/index.htm I could not find the story on the thetelegram.com site. Any suggestions as to how to look up the article on "thetelegram..com?" Robert > From: "Whyte, David" <DHW_at_Mail.amsa.gov.au> > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:23:46 +1000 > To: 'Doug Lloyd' <dlloyd_at_telus.net>, PaddleWise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Atlantic crossing failed > > The news website http://www.thetelegram.com/ reported it as sinking "He tied > the raft to the kayak until it sank" > but later I checked Peters website and it was a different story though I > suspect it took in a lot more water than a normal cockpit and was probably > submerged. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I took a look at the boat drawings in Peter's web site and it looks like he tried to think of everything. He had buoyancy tanks but it does not say if he had foam flotation or just air. >From a boat design strandpoint his keel could use some improvement. A lower aspect ratio keel that incorporated water tanks would keep the boat floating higher in the event of a serious leak while still making it self righting. I cannot think of a good reason for a high aspect ratio keel on this kind of boat. A longer shallower keel would probably provide better directional control, greater resistance to broaching and reduced roll and pitching. A longer, shallower keel would also improve the structure of the hull. I think the boat would have also benefitted from more beam and less length. He would never paddle at speeds where the length would pay off so a wider boat that would have lower wetted surface would have improved his efficiency . Probably not fair to criticize too much without knowing more but these things popped into my mind as soon as I saw the drawing. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Web site address http://home.ican.net/~735769 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: "Robert C. Cline" <rccline_at_swbell.net> > I could not find the story on the thetelegram.com site. Any suggestions as > to how to look up the article on "thetelegram..com?" Try this: http://www.thetelegram.com/cgi-win/et/et.exe/35802-In Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Looking at Peters website, it appears it may have been a failed one way valve. I wish him luck on his next attempt. http://www.outdoorchallenge.co.uk/nakc2000/index.htm "it appears that a non-return valve may have failed in the kayak's bilge-pump system which led to the boat quickly filling with water. Our initial information that the kayak was found upside down was in error. The skipper of the fishing vessel, Eastern Gambler, who first spotted the abandoned kayak says she was awash and listing but was lying right-side-up." ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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