Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any pictures or links to Nautiraid assembly details. I am specifically interested in the intersection of the longitudinals (gunwales and stringers) to the crossribs. Klepper had a nice detailed site but Nautiraid's is vague. Thanks, Paul. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I don't have any but if you are talking about the wooden framed ones (as opposed to the aluminum frames now coming in for some models), the intersection is a simple as pie. The crossribs do not have any kind of mechanical connectors or even push-in snapping groves for the long pieces to "lock" into. The grooves on the crossribs are open and beveled slightly toward the bow or stern. The long pieces rest in these open grooves. There are small little leather-like tabs (actually made of lightweight hypalon, I think) that snap on to some of the crossribs to keep them from wiggling out of position when inserting the frame halves. But in no way are those tabs really structural locking mechanisms such as the snap fittings on Kleppers. But don't despair, the Nautiraid system, while not locking, works extremely well; the frame inside the skin is very solid. Arguably, the Nautiraid frame system and its external sponsons make for just about the stiffest of folding kayaks. If you lift a Nautiraid at one end while leaving the other end on the ground, you will note two things. One, as you lift the end there is absolutely no sag (Folbots in comparison come up like a weak person doing pushups and not like a Marine doing it). Two, if you shake the Nautiraid up and down when holding that one end at waist or higher level, it has virtually no wiggle...it is that stiff. ralph diaz Paul Raymond wrote: > > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone had any pictures or links to Nautiraid assembly > details. I am specifically interested in the intersection of the > longitudinals (gunwales and stringers) to the crossribs. Klepper had a nice > detailed site but Nautiraid's is vague. > > Thanks, Paul. > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Zur Nachricht vom 22. Jun 00 16:16 > extremely well; the frame inside the skin is very solid. Arguably, the > Nautiraid frame system and its external sponsons make for just about the > stiffest of folding kayaks. If you lift a Nautiraid at one end while It also seems to have quite some inbuild redundacy. Once we only noticed a broken brass bolt holding a major longitudinal rib to the bow when we took the kayak apart and the broken pieces fell out before that it was still completely stable. Regards Ferdinand ------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 0 Ferdinand Soethe o/ o__/ Wollkaemmerei 8 -----</-----[\/------ D-30519 Hannover ´~~~~~~`----/-------/------´~~~~~~~~~` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~0~~~~~~~0~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ph +49-511-9845437 mobile +49-170-6362720 email f.soethe_at_apc.de ------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
OK, thanks, this actually answered some questions I didn't just come out and ask. I don't have a Nautiraid. I'm building a kayak from Blandford plans but substituted aluminum channel for a connector joint which would normally be a five inch length of wood with a brass strap in the middle. I'm planning on having the aluminum anodized with a brass color to match the brass in the rest of the boat. Since I read the Nautiraid uses brass channel I thought this might be interesting to look at. The stringers and gunwales are in place, but I haven't completed what little connections that its supposed to have. The stringers like to pop out of the grooves, so I suppose maybe I'll try the tab idea. I bought a used Klepper, but it's of no help for comparison's sake, two different animals. Thanks, Paul. >The crossribs do not have any kind of >mechanical connectors or even push-in snapping groves for the long >pieces to "lock" into. The grooves on the crossribs are open and >beveled slightly toward the bow or stern. The long pieces rest in these >open grooves. There are small little leather-like tabs (actually made >of lightweight hypalon, I think) that snap on to some of the crossribs >to keep them from wiggling out of position when inserting the frame >halves. But in no way are those tabs really structural locking >mechanisms such as the snap fittings on Kleppers. > >But don't despair, the Nautiraid system, while not locking, works >extremely well; the frame inside the skin is very solid. Arguably, the >Nautiraid frame system and its external sponsons make for just about the >stiffest of folding kayaks. If you lift a Nautiraid at one end while >leaving the other end on the ground, you will note two things. One, as >you lift the end there is absolutely no sag (Folbots in comparison come >up like a weak person doing pushups and not like a Marine doing it). >Two, if you shake the Nautiraid up and down when holding that one end at >waist or higher level, it has virtually no wiggle...it is that stiff. > >ralph diaz > >Paul Raymond wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if anyone had any pictures or links to Nautiraid >assembly > > details. I am specifically interested in the intersection of the > > longitudinals (gunwales and stringers) to the crossribs. Klepper had a >nice > > detailed site but Nautiraid's is vague. > > > > Thanks, Paul. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Paul Raymond wrote: > > OK, thanks, this actually answered some questions I didn't just come out and > ask. I don't have a Nautiraid. I'm building a kayak from Blandford plans but > substituted aluminum channel for a connector joint which would normally be a > five inch length of wood with a brass strap in the middle. Nautiraid does use brass channels. Basically they form the hinges (the boats have great amounts of pieces that come pre-connected with the pre-connected long pieces containing brass channels. They are also use to hold together the keel and side stringers but not in contact with crossribs. > > The stringers and gunwales are in place, but I haven't completed what little > connections that its supposed to have. The stringers like to pop out of the > grooves, so I suppose maybe I'll try the tab idea. Stringers pop out of lots of folding kayak crossribs. Even sometimes in Feathercrafts and now the new aluminum Klepper the Alulite. Use pieces of continuos velcro or wire ties for any errant popping out stringers. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Zur Nachricht vom 22. Jun 00 0:41 I have a drawing of the complete frame of a grand raid 520 copyright b Nautiraid that I could email you. But it doesn't show details of the connection, just the frame as a whole. If you tell me what you need, I could probably take some pictures next time I'm assembling my Nautiraid. Regards Ferdinand ------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 0 Ferdinand Soethe o/ o__/ Wollkaemmerei 8 -----</-----[\/------ D-30519 Hannover ´~~~~~~`----/-------/------´~~~~~~~~~` ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~0~~~~~~~0~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ph +49-511-9845437 mobile +49-170-6362720 email f.soethe_at_apc.de ------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Ferdinand Soethe wrote: > > Zur Nachricht vom 22. Jun 00 16:16 > > > extremely well; the frame inside the skin is very solid. Arguably, the > > Nautiraid frame system and its external sponsons make for just about the > > stiffest of folding kayaks. If you lift a Nautiraid at one end while > > It also seems to have quite some inbuild redundacy. Once we only noticed a broken > brass bolt holding a major longitudinal rib to the bow when we took the kayak > apart and the broken pieces fell out before that it was still completely stable. That is true of just about all folding kayaks, the built-in redundancy. Lately when I give talks on folding kayaks, I tell stories on myself about times when I failed to properly connect a piece or two and the boat was still fine. One notable time it was caught on a TV feature show that had me taking a K-Light from my apartment in Manhattan, going down to my car parked in front of my building (only in movies and in TV shoots do you see that!) and join friends for a paddle in Connecticut. While repeating some assembly steps for the camera, I wound up leaving one part totally disconnected. When out on the water, I noticed it but couldn't fix it while underway. The boat sagged a bit on one side (the failed connection was of the starboard gunwale bar). I forever see that when I show the video and I have been razed in a friendly way by the folk at Feathercraft. ralph diaz > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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