I bought a sock from Matt Broze thinking that it would help keep water out during a re-entry and roll. In rough conditions (surf), I am having problems staying upright after the R&R with water sloshing around in the cockpit. I have a modified forward bulkhead to reduce cockpit volume. A look at the sock however revealed it would not reduce volume any, or at least not substantially. Maybe there is a way to reduce the sock volume? Robert Ralph Diaz wrote: Wed, 31 May 2000 20:46:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] sea socks > > > To my knowledge what you describe doesn't happen to anyone. In > addition, when getting back into the boat, you will have very little > water to pump out as Phil Torrens pointed out earlier today. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Robert C. Cline wrote: >>I bought a sock from Matt Broze thinking that it would help keep water out during a re-entry and roll. In rough conditions (surf), I am having problems staying upright after the R&R with water sloshing around in the cockpit. I have a modified forward bulkhead to reduce cockpit volume. A look at the sock however revealed it would not reduce volume any, or at least not substantially. Maybe there is a way to reduce the sock volume?<< When getting in the sock pull the sock back until your feet are all the way to the end. Tuck any excess material behind the seat. Some seas socks have less room side to side but they often don't give the knees enough room (especially if the cockpit of the kayak is higher than average). Unless you modified the front bulkhead to use it as your footbrace and have the back bulkhead as your backrest the seasock will reduce the cockpit volume. Use a fixed outrigger paddlefloat rescue rather than the Reenter and Roll if you need the kayak stabilized for pumping. The Reenter and Roll scoops the cockpit very full unless you can reattach the spraydeck before rolling (very few folks can reattach the spraydeck). If you right the kayak with a sea sock in it by pushing it up and away much less water will be scooped up. After doing an outrigger rescue there will be much less water to destabilize you (or to pump out) if using a sea sock. It's the rescue you are using rather than the sea sock that results in so much water in the cockpit. In the surf a cowboy rescue might be worth trying (rather than the R and R) if you are trying to keep paddling without having to empty out. If you have used a Reenter and Roll because you are playing in surf (where an outrigger paddlefloat is not recommended) the shore is often nearby and paddling into shore to dump out is usually the best bet. In surf I find the seasock reduces the weight of water in the hull. If the kayak washes in without me and hits something or sticks an end into the beach the kayak will be much lighter and less likely to be damaged using a sea sock. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The conditions I am thinking about using this in are big tidal races or rough seas far from shore where a paddle float or paddlefloat outrigger would not be appropriate, or should I say, not possible! And yes, I do have a modified bulkhead to use as a footrest and footbrace. It's that darned sloshing water that keeps me unstable and knocks me back over after the R&R. I was wondering about other possible ways to either reduce the cockpit volume further or perhaps even better, dampen the sloshing. Ever consider a partial "cockpit pod" to put a barrier in the floor between your legs to dampen the sloshing??? I am wondering about a permanent way to modify the sock so that the water volume is reduced, particularly under the legs. Doug mentioned orienting the boat into the waves before the roll up. Robert > From: Matt Broze <mkayaks_at_oz.net> > Organization: Mariner Kayaks > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:24:29 -0700 > To: 'Paddlewise' <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Matt's sea socks > > Unless you > modified the front bulkhead to use it as your footbrace and have the back > bulkhead as your backrest the seasock will reduce the cockpit volume. Use a > fixed outrigger paddlefloat rescue rather than the Reenter and Roll if you > need the kayak stabilized for pumping. The Reenter and Roll scoops the > cockpit very full unless you can reattach the spraydeck before rolling (very > few folks can reattach the spraydeck). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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