I am wondering if there is an alternative to using wheels on the beach. I have carried my Kayak cross the beach several times. the main problem with carrying the Kayak is that it is necessary to rest the boat on the shoulder and that hurts. It is necessary to use a pad. I used my life jacket but it tends to slip. It, however, makes the portage bearable. That says I am asking if anyone knows any device to aid in carrying the kayak other than wheels. Phares M. Heindl Phares M. Heindl P. A. Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer Altamonte Springs, Florida Phone: 407-865-5700 Fax: 407-865-5758 Email: injurylaw_at_afo.net Web: www.heindllaw.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
They would get bogged down in the sand. My cart has 6 inch wide inflatable tires but they still drag. Something about 18 inches by 8 would probably do the trick but they would have to fit on the same hubs. cya -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel L Romeu [mailto:romeug_at_erols.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:30 AM To: Bob Denton Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Beach Wheels Hi Bob, Have you thought about old bicycle wheels? We seem to have a lot of them for trash pick around here, they should lift you above the sand. Hope all is going well, gabriel Bob Denton wrote: > > The beach wheel chair has peaked my interest in replacing the wheels on my > Primax cart with wheel that will work on sugar sand. Someone once posted a > source for wheels? I feel like one of the slaves building the pyramids when > I drag my boat across the beach. Any suggestions? > > cya > > Bob Denton > Aqua-Gulf Transport > bdenton_at_aquagulf.com > www.aquagulf.com <http://www.aquagulf.com> > > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not > to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ > *************************************************************************** -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://users.aol.com/romeugp paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Have you ever tried to ride a bicycle at the beach??? >>> Hi Bob, when I read your first post, my thought was the same as Gabriel's - bicycle wheels! Sure, they'd sink into the sand a little deeper, but the much larger radius should make rolling easier. Also, the narrow bicycle wheels might provide less rolling resistance as the tires would part the sand, rather than plough it. The kayak would have to rest on a higher cradle if a thru-axle were used (tippy, unless a wide stance were used), or one would have to get creative in building a low-slung cradle with elevated double axles (more complicated to build). Regards, Erik Sprenne *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The dynamics of riding a bicycle are much different than pulling a two-wheeled cart with 18-27" wheels. Wheels in line vs. side-by-side, CG much higher than the wheels vs. below/at/just above axle level. I don't have such a cart, but I'm tempted..... especially since I chose my launch spot last weekend to minimize the length of the carry across the beach (wanted to launch at a spot with a 4x carry). Regards, Erik > > Have you ever tried to ride a bicycle at the beach??? > > >>> > Hi Bob, > when I read your first post, my thought was the same as Gabriel's - bicycle > wheels! > Sure, they'd sink into the sand a little deeper, but the much larger radius > should make rolling easier. Also, the narrow bicycle wheels might provide > less rolling resistance as the tires would part the sand, rather than plough > it. > > The kayak would have to rest on a higher cradle if a thru-axle were used > (tippy, unless a wide stance were used), or one would have to get creative > in building a low-slung cradle with elevated double axles (more complicated > to build). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
If all you have to drag across is sand or grass why not look at trying to rig up some kind of foam cradle (that fits the hull) and a kid's plastic snow sled and a strap or two? It would distribute the weight and slide pretty easily. Might not be so hot on rocks or asphalt or concrete, though. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska > -----Original Message----- > From: Phares Heindl [mailto:pmheindl_at_afo.net] > > I am wondering if there is an alternative to using wheels on > the beach. I > have carried my Kayak cross the beach several times. the main > problem with > carrying the Kayak is that it is necessary to rest the boat > on the shoulder > and that hurts. It is necessary to use a pad. I used my life > jacket but it > tends to slip. It, however, makes the portage bearable. > > That says I am asking if anyone knows any device to aid in > carrying the > kayak other than wheels. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Phares Heindl wrote: > I am wondering if there is an alternative to using wheels on the beach. I > have carried my Kayak cross the beach several times. the main problem with > carrying the Kayak is that it is necessary to rest the boat on the shoulder > and that hurts. It is necessary to use a pad. I used my life jacket but it > tends to slip. It, however, makes the portage bearable. > > That says I am asking if anyone knows any device to aid in carrying the > kayak other than wheels. I've seen a tump line and a shoulder sling used on different occaisions. You'll have to hunt down some references on fur trader portaging to get some good explanations of a tump line. I find easier to just put my kayak on my shoulder and wrap my arm around it to carry it. I don't carry it with the cockpit on my shoulder but with the bottom of the kayak on my shoulder with my hand holding the cockpit rim. For extra support I'll use my other arm to hold the side of the cockpit rim near my head. The advantage of this carry is that once you are used to it you can shift the kayak to your other shoulder without putting the kayak down. I've jogged a half mile with my boat on my shoulder using this carry, during races. kirk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here is a picture of the cart which has substantial pneumatic tires already but they don't work in sand: http://www.deluge.com/transport/kayak_cart.htm *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
What's a snow sled? <GBG> >>> If all you have to drag across is sand or grass why not look at trying to rig up some kind of foam cradle (that fits the hull) and a kid's plastic snow sled and a strap or two? It would distribute the weight and slide pretty easily. Might not be so hot on rocks or asphalt or concrete, though. Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<G> I saw that one coming even as I typed those words..... Dave Seng Juneau, Alaska > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Denton [mailto:BDenton_at_aquagulf.com] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:49 AM > To: 'Seng, Dave'; 'Phares Heindl'; 'paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net' > Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Beach Wheels > > > What's a snow sled? <GBG> > > >>> > If all you have to drag across is sand or grass why not look > at trying to > rig up some kind of foam cradle (that fits the hull) and a > kid's plastic > snow sled *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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