I've been reading the discussion and merits of the Feathercraft K-1, but wonder if someone could comment on a comparison of an older Foldbot versus the newer Greenland II. My Foldbot is the two-seat Super which was bought in 1978. By this time they had gone to the aluminum frame with wooden flooring and ribs. I have enjoyed it for float trips in rivers near my location since buying it. But reading about the newer Greenland II my appetite is whetted for a new boat. Can anyone comment on handling differences and load capacity (read camping equipment,etc.) between the two boats? Thanks for any input. On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, PaddleWise wrote: > 2. Follow-up on Feathercraft K-1 in Seal Skin (newest model) > I have been paddling my K-1 since April. All that Feathercraft promises > on their web site www.feathercraft.com is true and more. ...Edwin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ Edwin Johnson ....... elj_at_shreve.net ~ ~~ http://www.shreve.net/~elj ~ ~~ ~ ~~ "Once you have flown, you will walk the ~ ~~ earth with your eyes turned skyward, ~ ~~ for there you have been, there you long ~ ~~ to return." -- da Vinci ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Edwin Johnson wrote: > > I've been reading the discussion and merits of the Feathercraft K-1, but > wonder if someone could comment on a comparison of an older Foldbot versus > the newer Greenland II. > > My Foldbot is the two-seat Super which was bought in 1978. By this time > they had gone to the aluminum frame with wooden flooring and ribs. The old Super was a more solid boat in terms of flex which made it a somewhat better sailing kayak than the Greenland II. Both models sail better than the Klepper without so much a need for outriggers as the Klepper really should have. The Super could be harder to assemble as, at the time, quality control of fit of skin to frame wasn't as top notch as it is today. It also is a heavier boat than the Greenland II by quite a few pounds. Very stable, though, not the the Greenland II is unstable...it too is quite stable. As to payloads, probably both are pretty close. Any of the folding doubles are good for 600 pounds at least and go up to about 1,000 pounds for the Klepper military Quattro version. Lack of sponsons in the Super would likely give you a bit more space for items. Handling differences? The Greenland II is more nimble than the Super if any folding double can be described as "nimble". If you are enjoying the Super I would suggest not bothering to switch unless the weight and assembly issue (if it is an issue with your particular Super) are a problem. If you feel a need for paddling solo a lot, get yourself a single at some point. best, ralph -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Edwin Johnson wrote: > But reading about the newer Greenland II my appetite is whetted for a new > boat. > In contrast to computers and cars, which are in general more powerful and fashionable the following year, the contrary is sometimes true of folding kayaks. The Klepper double, in which Hannes Lindemann crossed the Atlantic, is produced today with only minor changes. A new boat would change nothing. As rumors go here in Germany the Kleppers are of course of top quality, but those of the beginning 1990ies were even a little bit better finished. Looking here for a used Pouch RZ85 (folding double) the old boats of the 1950 are often in better shape than those of the 1980ies. Of course after reunification quality at Pouch improved to western standards and they brought out a new model, the RZ96. But the enthusiasts of Pouch boats still swear by the old RZ85, which they term the better boat. It's still produced. If the skin of an old Pionier, Hart or Kette is beyond repair, a new one can be manufactured. Several companies offer this service over here in Europe. So if looking for a new boat, you should perhaps think about guarding the old one, depending on its condition. As Folbots fold, storage shouldn't be the problem and there might be place for a second folder. Reinhold Weber *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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