Mark writes: > > again, it is mainly a matter of semantics, but in colorado, where there is > an extreme variety of water available to paddle, we recognize 3-4 types of > kayak, recreational [kiwi's etc], whitewater [sub 12 footers], touring > [12-16 ft], andd sea kayaks [16 foot+] ... the prijon yukon expedition is > an extremely popular boat in colorado. I'll use that distinction in the discussion below 8) > http://www.wildnet.com/yukon.htm > > from the last membership roster from RMSKC, it was _the_ most common > boat!! and when i paddle lakes with the club, they leave me behind much of > the time [so now i have a glass yak to use ;-] Here's the deal: I have my ww ocean/surf boat (Necky Rip) and I'll soon have my fibreglass sea kayak (Mariner II - woo hoo!!). What I'm looking for next is a good river runner (up to III- on the I-VI scale) that I can self support in. Looking at Prijon I also see: Calabria (14' 5") http://www.wildnet.com/calabria.htm Beluga (13' 9") http://www.wildnet.com/beluga.htm - the beluga intruiges me. The hull design is modeled after some of thier racing craft. Would this preclude it from being a river runner though? It would most likely be made of polyethylene as rocks and fibreglass don't mix well 8) Any ideas? Yes, I've thought about the Mariner Coaster which has the *perfect* design for this sort of thing. They don't make the Coaster in plastic though 8( #hint, hint# ---------------------------------------------------------------------- snark_at_tulgey.org aka Glen Acord http://www.tulgey.org/~snark if ($snark eq "boojum") {vanish("softly","suddenly")} *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:38 PM 8/11/00 -0400, B00jum! wrote: >Mark writes: > > > > again, it is mainly a matter of semantics, but in colorado, where there is > > an extreme variety of water available to paddle, we recognize 3-4 types of > > kayak, recreational [kiwi's etc], whitewater [sub 12 footers], touring > > [12-16 ft], andd sea kayaks [16 foot+] ... the prijon yukon expedition is > > an extremely popular boat in colorado. Interesting. I have my own breakdown of kayak types that goes a bit beyond that. One of the things that I've found is that "sea kayak" is become a fairly nebulous term that often refers to a boat with a cockpit (or even a sit-on-top) that is not a whitewater boat. Here's how I personally categorized kayaks. Whitewater kayaks: (which can be broken down into rodeo, playboats, downriver boats, creek boats...) Generally they are 9' or shorter, extremely manoeverable but won't track in a straight line, tight fitting cockpit. Recreational: The Keowee/Kiwi et. al. Typically 8-11' long, over 25-30" wide, with a flat hull and a large open cockpit. They're meant to be paddled on a flat hull with no edging/leaning. The boats often don't have bulkheads or hatches. Short Touring: boats in the 12-15' range like the Carolina, Walden Passage, etc. They're usually 23-25" wide and have a hull shaped more like a "real" touring boat. The fit is usually still fairly loose, but the design is still good enough such that one can learn all the sea kayaking skills in one. Most have at least one bulkhead/hatch. Touring: Typically, 16' or longer. A greater variety of hull shapes (soft, hard, multi-chine) usually no more than 24" wide. Two or more bulkheads and hatch covers. Expedition: long and lean (18' or longer) The Yukon Expedition is fairly unique in that it has all of the features of a touring boat but is just shortened a bit and has optional end caps to make it durable in whitewater conditions. It would require a bit of skill to paddle it safely on class III sections but it is quite manoeverable if you've got the skills. > >Looking at Prijon I also see: > >Calabria (14' 5") http://www.wildnet.com/calabria.htm Basically a scaled down Seayak from what I can tell. >Beluga (13' 9") http://www.wildnet.com/beluga.htm >- the beluga intruiges me. The hull design is modeled after some of >thier racing craft. Would this preclude it from being a river runner >though? I've paddled a Beluga and from what I can tell it's intended environment is on rivers and specifically for racing down rivers. The closest equivalent is the Perception Wavehopper. It comes up to speed very fast and is able to maintain speed well. It has a lot of freeboard and feels like you're sitting very high in the water. It's a really tippy boat and because it's so wide in the stern I found it difficult to get it to turn even with an agressive low or high brace. It would also be a good boat on flatwater for an aerobic workout. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, B00jum! wrote: > Here's the deal: I have my ww ocean/surf boat (Necky Rip) and I'll > soon have my fibreglass sea kayak (Mariner II - woo hoo!!). What I'm > looking for next is a good river runner (up to III- on the I-VI scale) > that I can self support in. > > Looking at Prijon I also see: > > Calabria (14' 5") http://www.wildnet.com/calabria.htm > Beluga (13' 9") http://www.wildnet.com/beluga.htm > - the beluga intruiges me. The hull design is modeled after some of > thier racing craft. Would this preclude it from being a river runner > though? it was interesting to paddle, it was quick. i thought the sides were WAY too high, and i had thought it quick, which, upon looking at the site, they say touring ;-) that would explain the volume... i think it lacks the maneuverability for III-ish water. maligiaq thought it was the fastest of all the plastic boats he borrowed ;-) but he's small, and the sides hit him poorly for rolling, even if he added padding, he said "too much of his back was below the coming" > It would most likely be made of polyethylene as rocks and fibreglass > don't mix well 8) > > Any ideas? Yes, I've thought about the Mariner Coaster which has the > *perfect* design for this sort of thing. They don't make the Coaster > in plastic though 8( #hint, hint# the YE is probably the slowest. i have an aquaterra/perception spectrum also. that a good bang for the buck... good volume & use of space, i can fit more into it. it's faster then the YE, a shallow arch hull allows it to accellerate well, and it's my favorite "oh, the wind has made waves on the lake, can i surf across boat" ... -- #-canoeist[at]dotzen[dot]org------------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [__| [__\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.dotzen.org/paddler [index to club websites i administer] ---- A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. -- English Proverb *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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