Return-path: <MCLAURY_at_aol.com> From: MCLAURY_at_aol.com Full-name: MCLAURY Message-ID: <26.8f937a4.26bcc8a4_at_aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:32:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] RE: FW: Storm Island - Headed back To: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 I missed the beginning of this .... Will someone please forward me Doug's original post. I hate to miss one of the intrepid Mr. Lloyd's adventures. TIA, Susan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Forgive my ignorance, everybody. What is a cigarette boat? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Jack, A cigarette boat is, I believe, one of those ungodly long, almost all foredeck, deep V hulled, multi engined, three man crewed, off shore racing, swell hopping, low flying aircraft of wingless design that seem to bounce from swell peak to swell peak with only their props and about the last 12" of the keel in contact with the water. With other-world-like horsepower they crash from one swell to the next, roaring the sea into submission. Remember Miami Vice? This was the type of boat in the opening chase scene. They are so fast that only other cigarette boats and aircraft can catch them. ...or so I've been lead to believe. Jed ;-) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
LedJube_at_aol.com wrote: > A cigarette boat is, I believe, one of those ungodly long, almost all > foredeck, deep V hulled, multi engined, three man crewed, off shore racing, > swell hopping, low flying aircraft of wingless design that seem to bounce > from swell peak to swell peak with only their props and about the last 12" of > the keel in contact with the water. With other-world-like horsepower they > crash from one swell to the next, roaring the sea into submission. Remember > Miami Vice? This was the type of boat in the opening chase scene. They are so > fast that only other cigarette boats and aircraft can catch them. I guess that is as good a definition as any. I am wondering how many people of our pure, nature-loving, low-impact PaddleWise community have ever been on a cigarette boat or actually operated one. Or would confess this to this list. What does it feel, sound and smell like? Is it thrilling or boring? More importantly, for our safety needs, how much can one actually see forward with the bow raised so high and what kind of reaction time at high speeds would one have if say a kayak or rowboat is spotted a few hundred feet away? If you don't want to be identified or unduly stigmatized for confessing being in a cigarette boat, I think you can write to Jackie Fenton and she would re-post without IDing you. Jackie is at jackie_at_intelenet.net. Or write to me back-channel. I am tempted to take a cigarette boat ride. There are several that roar up and down the harbor waters here with names like "The Beast" and "The Screamer" that take passengers for a 20 minute or half-hour spin. I am curious about those latter points on what you can see and a sense of how much time there would be to react to having something small like a kayak suddenly appear dead ahead. Meanwhile I will be out today doing something worthwhile and rewarding...kayak escort for a 2.8 mile swim along Manhattan's Westside. If you haven't done such duty, give it a try. Kayaks help keep swimmers on course and away from obstacles and dangers. You get a T-shirt for your effort but the real reward is in helping fellow close-to-the-water people meet their goals in a safe manner. And it raises our image as a responsible part of the marine community. It is a win-win-win situation all around. ralph diaz -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Diaz . . . Folding Kayaker newsletter PO Box 0754, New York, NY 10024 Tel: 212-724-5069; E-mail: rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com "Where's your sea kayak?"----"It's in the bag." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
See http://www.cigaretteracing.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
RE/ >Forgive my ignorance, everybody. What is a cigarette boat? A jet ski for somebody with beaucoups bucks. ----------------------- Pete Cresswell *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Actually, the term "cigarette boat" comes from a) boats that are long and thin, resembling cigarettes, and b) boats sponsored by cigarette companies. The original cigarette boat was a log supporting the Pendleton-shirt-wearing Marlboro Man in a 1965 magazine advertisement, as he defeated a non-filter-smoking opponent (pictured falling into the drink) in a log-rolling contest. Upset by the filter cigarette brands, near-faltering Lucky Strike (Loose Sweaters mean Flabby T... oops, Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco) launched a quickly-forgotten parody ad where their non-filter ad man stepped from his log to a kayak (try that in real life) as a Marlboro Man look-alike fell into the drink. The ad's slogan was "I'd rather fight than switch," and a second picture showed a soggy filter butt superimposed where the Marlboro Man look-alike's log had been. The ad wars escalated, of course. The next cigarette boat I can remember was Viceroy's "A Silly Millimeter Longer" ad touting their 101 mm cigarette against the likes of Benson and Hedges 100s. The Viceroy ad pictured a whitewater kayaker nosing into an eddy as his opponent (in an obviously shorter yak) misses the eddy and is headed downriver backasswards, looking very uncomfortable compared to his way-cool opponent. By the '70s, Virginia Slims had wedged its way into the cigarette boat world with its "You've Come a Long Way (the "Baby" was added later) campaign, showing a bikini-clad vixen in a 25' Chris-Craft smugly near-capsizing a wet-suited, camo-PFD, fluoresent-yellow paddled glasses-wearing cigarette smoker (male, of course) in a kayak. It was the end of kayaks in cigarette advertising, and the beginning of the modern cigarette boat ad campaigns. In the 80s, Joe Camel had come back, quickly trading his tired "I'd Paddle a Mile for a Camel" ad for a kid-pleasing cigarette boat picture. Within 2 months, the cigarette boat had gone from a one-person speedboat to a modern cigarette boat - long, thin, and with the requisite helmsman, throttle man, and lookout. I have to confess to Ralph Diaz that I was that lookout. With my Ph.D. thesis on the health benefits of cigarettes, and as a real-world thrillseeker, I was a shoe-in for a spot in the ad campaign. It wasn't until I failed to see the third kayaker (who was escorting a bunch of swimmers) that I quit in guilt. Riding in a cigarette boat is the ultimate thrill. When you hit 200 mph (best done with less than a 1" chop), your eyeballs rattle in their sockets, you suck on your cigarettes faster (remember the ad campaign for "The 7-minute cigarette. If you think it's just another cigarette, time it."? Well, those 7 minute cigarettes lasted 45 seconds on a cigarette boat at full throttle), and you're soon ready to trade 6 gallons/mile for a quiet paddle. I still paddle, although my oxygen tank messes up my rolling ability, and I've been the subject of more SAR operations than Doug Lloyd. My 1999 Storm Island trip ended ten strokes offshore when emphysema ended my effort. ;-) Bubba Jethro (whose middle name may or may not be Jed) Alameda, CA snorkler_at_juno.com On Sat, 05 Aug 2000 09:47:32 -0700 ralph diaz <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com> writes: > LedJube_at_aol.com wrote: > > A cigarette boat is, I believe, one of those ungodly long, > almost all > > foredeck, deep V hulled, multi engined, three man crewed, off > shore racing, > > swell hopping, low flying aircraft of wingless design that seem to > bounce > > from swell peak to swell peak with only their props and about the > last 12" of > > the keel in contact with the water. With other-world-like > horsepower they > > crash from one swell to the next, roaring the sea into submission. > Remember > > Miami Vice? This was the type of boat in the opening chase scene. > They are so > > fast that only other cigarette boats and aircraft can catch them. > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Each Cigarette Boat has an indispensable piece of equipment on board. This is a very powerful stereo system with very loud speakers capable of playing "Macho, Macho, Man" with enough volume to drowned out the noise of the engines. Patri *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Of course, I'll step into it Ralph.. Cigarette boats have become a generic term for any and all high speed motor boats, much as Xerox has become the name for a copier. The first Cigarette racing boat was actually made by Cary Marine, and designed by Don Aronow. Later he went on to form Cigarette Racing, and built under that name. (more complex than that,but......) Fast boats are a thrill. In the right place and hands, they are fun, safe, challenging, and pricey to run! These days with engines for them starting around the price of, ohh say 6 Kleppers and going up from there, its become very expensive to play. If you like speed and water, its a great combination! Yes, it's hard to see when the bow is up while planing the boat. Once running, they level out and visibility is very good. A yak can be spotted and maneuvered around, but keep in mind that they are moving mighty fast, and the yak needs to watch out also. A few hundred feet is plenty of space to dodge a yak. Less than a hundred feet is enough time, but it wont be pleasant for the yak.. Nor the Cigarette drivers laundry service..... They are fun tho! Most of the "Beast" rides I see around top out around 60 MPH. As my shirt says, "Life begins _at_ 130". Its a brave new world out there, go for a ride! Scott Flameproof, and closer to Cuba tonight..... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I believe they got their name because boats of this type were used to smuggle tax free cigarettes somewhere, possibly Florida. cya *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Or rather a loud, expensive precursor to Viagra??? Pete Cresswell wrote: >RE/ > >Forgive my ignorance, everybody. What is a cigarette boat? > >A jet ski for somebody with beaucoups bucks. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>I am wondering how many people of our pure, nature-loving, low-impact >PaddleWise community have ever been on a cigarette boat or actually >operated one. Or would confess this to this list. I haven't been on one, and don't have any desire to. But I have a client who is a former several-times world champion speedboat racer, in the fastest, largest class (looks kinda like an overgrown Cigarette). Although he teases me about "running over blow-boaters", he's actually a great guy, very thoughtful and generous, who among many other things gives lots of money to good causes. Of course, professional racers are perhaps of a different class. But I do think of my client now and then when I'm tempted to make judgments about people based solely on the type of boat they pilot (which is often). Mark *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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