Kevin Whilden wrote: >> I have never seen a more confused >> mixture of 2-3 foot high boils with an occasional deep violent whirlpool. >> Even the hardcore whitewater crazies avoid that place, Ralph Diaz wrote: >Sounds ominous. I would not want to be in that stuff ever. Who would? Some people call that fun! >But I have seen folding kayaks go over nearly that much and just right >themselves. I think it's easier in a narrower boat to regularly practice and "establish" that tipping point so you know exactly "where" the boat is, and how it is reacting to the water. In a very wide ("stable") boat, it is more difficult to establish that edge. If you're tilted way up on edge by an errant wave, you're trusting to the boat's secondary stability, but not quite sure when and where (and if!) it is going to kick in. I'm not knocking folding boats (never paddled one) but I have a harder time with beamy boats in confused seas than a narrower boat, but that's just my perception. Shawn -- Shawn W. Baker 0 46°53'N © 2000 ____©/______ 114°06'W ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ baker_at_montana.com 0 http://www.geocities.com/shawnkayak/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
But would said expert in the stable boat or said expert in the tippy boat reach exhaustion first? Shawn And after typing that I realized it sounds a lot like the chicken/egg question. Rob Cookson wrote: >I would suggest that if you put one expert in a tippy boat and one expert in >a stable boat (both boats that the experts are familiar with) they would >both stay upright until the point of exhaustion and then capsize. I will >say that with two novices in the same situation I have always seen the >skinny boat capsize first. -- Shawn W. Baker 0 46°53'N © 2000 ____©/______ 114°06'W ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ baker_at_montana.com 0 http://www.geocities.com/shawnkayak/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Shawn and All, > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net > [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Shawn W. Baker > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 1:21 PM > > > But would said expert in the stable boat or said expert in the tippy > boat reach exhaustion first? Ya got me Shawn. Too many variables for my small brain. Guess it all comes down to a my expert is better than your expert contest. I think the bottom line is find a boat that suits your needs and have fun. > > Shawn > And after typing that I realized it sounds a lot like the chicken/egg > question. By the way... I think the good Doctor Inverbon knows the answer to the chicken and egg question. Perhaps his humble scribe could relay our burning curiosity to him. Cheers, -- Rob Cookson "I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the Atmosphere." Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Abigail Adams, February 22, 1787. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Shawn W. Baker" <baker_at_montana.com> writes: SNIP .. I think it's easier in a narrower boat to regularly practice and "establish" that tipping point so you know exactly "where" the boat is, and how it is reacting to the water. ... I'm not knocking folding boats (never paddled one) but I have a harder time with beamy boats in confused seas than a narrower boat, but that's just my perception. Shawn -- Shawn, that's exactly why, in commenting Ralph Diaz's earlier post, I suggested that bracing, sculling and rolling practice is a useful "circus act" even in a folding boat, to be practiced right alongside assisted and unassisted rescues, which is standard practice in the non-folding kayaking world. Ralph C. Hoehn Ralph_at_PouchBoats.com http://www.PouchBoats.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was in my rather narrow boat with a couple of people in those wider, stabler boats(a Romany and a Baja) having a conversation (stationary) on the Delaware river a couple of weeks ago, A rather large boat wake swept us up. my boat went up and down very vertically while theirs swaggered from side to side, I'm sure that they subconsciously compensated with weight shifts. I think dealing with this in rather turbulent waters for any length of time could be fatiguing, even more so in a boat with a firm initial stability. It seems that my boat has no primary stability and it requires very little effort to put and maintain a edge for a length of time. I am not fighting that primary stability. -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://studiofurniture.com/paint paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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