What with a new computer, a trip to Lake Kissimmee State Park and work my personal life has been interrupted. Don't know if this will help the paddler who wanted info on Fort Walton Beach, but check out www.paddlefl.com Am now going through packing anxiety for the 5-days on the Suwannee River trip at the beginning of November. I succumbed to buying the Eureka! Zephyr XT tent because I wanted the to-the-ground rainfly and vestibules. Should arrive tomorrow. BTW, the price at CampMor.com was $139.99. I called to see if it was on sale and was told $119.99, which made the decision a bit easier. When I called a few minutes later they quoted the 139.99, after a mini-shit fit on my part, he pressed some other buttons and I got the lower price. For a nice site on paddling the Suwannee River check out Bill Logan's site at www.canoe-suwannee.com He has an accompanying book and video (discount if you buy both). Would those of you who want to come to the Miami/Key Largo reunion please reply (via the list is OK as others may want to see who/how many are coming) and let's decide if we want to do it over the weekend of January 15 (monday) or February 19 (Monday) as both are holidays. sandy kramer miami *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
most possibly- Feb. 19 better as the january date is too close to the florida holiday in-law mandate. gabriel chesterfield > > Would those of you who want to come to the Miami/Key Largo reunion please > reply (via the list is OK as others may want to see who/how many are coming) > and let's decide if we want to do it over the weekend of January 15 (monday) > or February 19 (Monday) as both are holidays. > > sandy kramer > miami -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://studiofurniture.com/paint paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<< We can come Presdident's weekend (FEbruary 19), but not in January, so I hope that winds up being the consensus, because we'd like to come. Joan & Bob Volin >> GREAT! I prefer Feb also, so we will go with that. I'll start making plans and will keep you posted. sandy *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Terrific! Regarding your earlier offer of a Seda - I don't know the kayak, but I'd probably be willing to try it. Let me know what we should bring inthe way of gear - PFDS, spray skirts, paddles, tents, sleeping bags, thermorests??? It should be great. Joan *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yes there is. Have you given any thought to what you'll do for a boat? (You are going, right??) Joan On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:20:39 -0400 Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com> writes: > There is the boat issue, isn't there...gabriel > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Much as I would like to have completed a folder by then, I don't think it is possible. Rita and I will need boats. I am beginning to think...oh my, this really hurts. I'll think later. volinjo_at_juno.com wrote: > > Yes there is. Have you given any thought to what you'll do for a boat? > (You are going, right??) > > Joan : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://studiofurniture.com/paint paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 09:03 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Gabriel L Romeu wrote: >Much as I would like to have completed a folder by then, I don't think >it is possible. Rita and I will need boats. I am beginning to >think...oh my, this really hurts. I'll think later. This get-together sounds intriguing. I'd certainly be ready for a brief vacation in Florida during the heart of winter in Ithaca, NY. Are there good rental outfitters in the area where one could rent a decent kayak? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 00-10-19 11:17:42 EDT, jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes: << Are there good rental outfitters in the area where one could rent a decent kayak? >> Absolutely! contact Frank or Monica Woll (or Bill) at Florida Bay Outfitters kayak_at_terranova.net 305-451-3018. Tell them you're with the Paddlewise group that Sandy Kramer told Monica about and give them the February dates. My friends and I have spare boats for those who are less concerned about a "decent" kayak and want to save some $$$. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
*sigh* well.... I'll be in Fla. with my three boys and my kayak the first week and a half in March... will think about y'all when you're there, but can't do two! (but if anyone wants to put our rowdy bunch up for a night when we ARE down there, you can let me know!) I go every year to the gulf off Ft. Meyers for a week of camping and this wil be my first year taking my boat with me. :) Looking forward to it, and maybe to stopping on the way to or from to play in some of the places you all keep talking about..... Tori Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks to everybody who provided input on the Perception Eclipse. I went down to the outdoor store at lunch and tried it on. I found entrance and exit a little difficult. This kind of surprised because several people in my size range (around 6' 2") through the cockpit was roomy. When I was in the cockpit it felt pretty good, but when I was getting in and getting out the thigh braces blocked me a little bit. I ended up having to wedge both knees together and then come out. It wasn't pretty. Is this a normal kayak fit? I've been paddling my Acadia too much to know the feel of a *real* touring kayak. But I think I have the bug now. If the seat could have been adjusted, that would have helped. Just an inch or two more leg room would have done the trick. The Eclipse is probably OK, but it just didn't feel right to me. I also sat in a Perception Vizcaya which was a little wider. The sales guy said he had some Perception Captivas coming in later. I'd like to take a look at them too. I had a couple of other good boat suggestions form the list backchannel. Unfortunately, they're on my home PC and I don't have them in front of me right now. But I'll add them to my list of stuff to look at. Other thoughts? Luke *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Luke Hoffman wrote: > > Thanks to everybody who provided input on the Perception Eclipse. I went > down to the outdoor store at lunch and tried it on. I found entrance and > exit a little difficult. This kind of surprised because several people in > my size range (around 6' 2") through the cockpit was roomy. When I was in > the cockpit it felt pretty good, but when I was getting in and getting out > the thigh braces blocked me a little bit. I ended up having to wedge both > knees together and then come out. It wasn't pretty. Be leery of this. Were you wearing your "normal" paddling togs and footgear? If not, consider that a 3 mm wetsuit will make the fit tighter. Are the thigh braces of a type which can be shaved somewhat to fit you better? Also ask for (and get) a demonstration of how the seat cam be repositioned rearward an inch (no more!) if that's what you need. I have not done that with the seat on an Eclipse, but it is not too tricky on earlier models of sea kayaks Perception makes. Don't move the seat more than an inch -- you can seriously alter the trim of the boat and that will affect its paddling performance. If you really love the boat, and have to move the seat to fit it, then you will have to always paddle with some ballast in the front compartment to get the trim back to where it should be. Although it is normal to do some outfitting to make the cockpit fit you, personally, moving the seat back should be done cautiously. Matt Broze can probably elucidate the whys and wherefores for us. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 01:25 PM 10/19/00 -0700, Dave Kruger wrote: Luke Hoffman wrote: > <snip stuff I wrote on trying on trying on a kayak > Be leery of this. Were you wearing your "normal" paddling togs and footgear? > If not, consider that a 3 mm wetsuit will make the fit tighter. Are the thigh braces >of a type which can be shaved somewhat to fit you better? I was wearing street clothes. That's a good point. Although around here (North Alabama) we don't need wetsuits most of the year. I believe the braces could be modified and someone told me offlist that on the Perception boats you can actually remove and exchange the thigh braces. >Don't move the seat more than an inch -- you can seriously alter the trim of >the boat and that will affect its paddling performance. I'm glad you mentioned that. I hadn't even thought of that. I've gotten several back channel responses from other tall folks, and evidently this is not an uncommon problem. I have gotten a couple of other boat suggestions, plus I remembered Wes Boyd's Boats for Big Guys page at: http://www2.dmci.net/users/wesboyd/bigguy.htm I'm going to check out some of those too. Luke *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:29 AM 10/20/00 -0500, Luke Hoffman wrote: >evidently this is not an uncommon problem. I have gotten a couple of other >boat suggestions, plus I remembered Wes Boyd's Boats for Big Guys page at: >http://www2.dmci.net/users/wesboyd/bigguy.htm You know, it sure gives my ego little smiley faces inside to see other people put up pointers to that page. I guess it's providing a useful service to somebody, which makes me glad that I thought of doing it. Well, now with the weather getting colder, the days getting shorter and the kayaking season winding down, maybe it's time to think about spiffing it up again, adding some boats, cleaning up some minor errors, jazzing up the page appearance, etc. From this topic and a couple e-mails I've had recently, I can see I need to put more emphasis into boats for the plus-six footers, especially those with big feet. Does anybody have any suggestions, ideas, or pointers (I mean, over and above what's been discussed in this thread?) >I'm going to check out some of those too. One of the few areas where men can share in the joy of shopping that women often seem to extol is searching for a new boat. It gives plenty of opportunity to try out different boats -- which can be habit forming, just ask Matt Broze -- or stand around talking kayaking, or just get out and see new scenery, thinking about what you want in a boat, wondering how you're going to pay or it and/or explain it to the wife, the thrill of finding the perfect boat marked off 40% at an end of season sale, and so on, and so on. In other words, shopping for boats is fun and habit forming and an excellent way to pass the time. Plus, it's certianly better for you (although perhaps no less expensive) than drinking or drugs. Joking aside, shop around. It's worth it to try out lots of different boats, especially if you're an odd fit. You can learn a great deal from looking at the different approaches to the same problem. As I said on the above-mentioned web page, "A boat can haul a load that could break down a pack horse, track like an arrow, turn on a dime and be fast as the wind, but if you can't get in and out easily, and be comfortable in it for several hours, it is not the boat for you. The only way to be sure it fits you is to try it on; if it doesn't fit, look elsewhere." Have fun with it! -- Wes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Thanks to everybody who provided input on the Perception Eclipse. I went > down to the outdoor store at lunch and tried it on. I found entrance and > exit a little difficult. This kind of surprised because several people in > my size range (around 6' 2") through the cockpit was roomy. When I was in > the cockpit it felt pretty good, but when I was getting in and getting out > the thigh braces blocked me a little bit. I ended up having to wedge both > knees together and then come out. It wasn't pretty. > > Is this a normal kayak fit? I've been paddling my Acadia too much to know > the feel of a *real* touring kayak. But I think I have the bug now. > > If the seat could have been adjusted, that would have helped. Just an inch > or two more leg room would have done the trick. The Eclipse is an extremely typical touring kayak. I have a terrible time with most current boats, as I like to sit somewhat crosslegged and brace with my knees. Most of the _at_#$$% thigh braces catch my legs way too high. One thing you should definitely know with the plastic Perception boats is that the thigh braces are REMOVABLE and EXCHANGEABLE - they have different sizes and lengths. Changing (removing in my case) the braces makes all the difference in the world to me - it isn't that the cockpit is too cramped, it's that my damned legs are pinned to the floor. If you're looking at an Eclipse be sure to take the brace adjustments into account. If it still doesn't fit you well, I strongly recommend trying the Cape Horn from Wilderness Systems. It is a newer design that you don't hear a lot about, a bit short for a full-out touring boat at 15'5. However, I fit into it like a charm, and it's a boat that just plain worked for me from the moment I got in it. For 2001, they've introduced a shorter (14'7" and longer (17'3") version of this boat. At a recent Paddlefest I paddled the original version for an hour during a stroke clinic (instructor nominated me "most improved" which was a polite way of saying that I really, really sucked at the start); then hopped directly into the longer version to try it out. Felt like a completely different boat, and I didn't like it nearly as much. I think they hit the nail on the head with the original, but try them out and see what you think. KeS *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Kevin Stevens wrote: > > One thing > you should definitely know with the plastic Perception boats is that the thigh > braces are REMOVABLE and EXCHANGEABLE - they have different sizes and lengths. If you're really serious about fit you can install WW thigh braces. I have Pirouette thigh braces in my Sea Lion and it really helps in rolling and edging. My knees will NOT slip out accidently. They're good for a re-enter and roll, too, because all you need is to catch your right knee under that brace and it doesn't matter where your feet, butt and other leg are. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I replied privately to Joan regarding lending her my glass Seda Gypsy. I'll call FBO kayaks and see what they have and for how much and will then post it to those who have expressed an interest in attending. On the other hand, this info might be a encouraging factor for those who are undecided. sandy *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Sandy... I'm going to tag along with Joan (no surprise there) and am interested in the boat choices available from FBO. Looking forward to meeting and gabbing with everyone! Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
WHERE in Florida is the February get together going to be.....I MIGHT be in Florida around that time and if I am, I'll make every effort to be there.....Russell *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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