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From: Natalie Wiest <wiestn_at_tamug.tamu.edu>
subject: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie's narrative
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:01:44 -0500
Subtitle: Texan been seein' BC


Sub-sub title: Munchkin and Wizard set out to Sea





As you all may have read already, I had the privilege of getting to paddle
with Doug Lloyd in his home setting of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada a
few weeks back.  He was a lot faster in posting his trip report, but I was
awaiting the photographic evidence, so with that in hand, and still with
plenty of word power left to describe the trip, following is my report.  If
you'd like to see the photographs and additional comments, please go to my Web
page report at: www.tamug.tamu.edu/paddler/paddlinBC.





As Doug has related, I had contacted him some time ago about the potential for
paddling in conjunction with my professional conference.  As the date drew
closer and the moment of meeting and paddling was upon us, I was having some
real self-doubts.  Had I put myself at the mercy of some super paddling ego
who would delight in trashing a fool tourist at sea; would I be perceived as
some kind of paddling groupie, wanting to hit on the famous Doug Lloyd, wreck
his relationship with his wife, etc., etc?  The voice on the phone mail
messages was good humored, not a hint of a negative.  Thankfully when live
voice contact was made, it was Yvonne who answered the phone at the other end,
so woman-to-woman, I could ask if it was REALLY OK to go out paddling with
Doug.  A chuckle and "oh, yes" at the other end.   Then the Meister himself,
and final arrangements.  We were on!





Of course my vision of Doug had to do with someone the build of Arnold
Schwarzenegger, and for these far north parts, surely a full black beard.  The
phone conversation slightly revised that to medium height, light brown hair.
That was at least closer.  I'm not going near any further physical
description, but let it suffice to say Doug is still a giant in my mind.





Part of my motivation in meeting Doug was to get a look at his gear.  I was
not disappointed.  First off, the red van that I knew was the family decision
on spending the money we all tried to advise him on last year.  Who could miss
that vehicle, with the two sea kayaks atop it, in the hotel district of
Victoria?  Sure, it was reassuring as we got ready to paddle, to see that Doug
had the flare gun already loaded, with three backup flares, and he assured me
he could shoot it "even if my hands are freezing cold and numb".  Eek, does
this mean we'll have Doug Lloyd-style mega-adventure complete with Coast Guard
rescue?  





THE NORDKAPP was of intense interest to me.  You should know that Doug teaches
woodworking, in addition to his full time job, and he is quite a craftsman.
THE NORDKAPP looked from the outside like it had just come off the showroom
floor.  And in an approved color combination, yellow deck and white hull, just
like my Falcon at home.  On its back deck, a small flag to add to visibility
to motor traffic in the harbor.  I had been watching the float planes landing
and taking off in the harbor and knew avoidance would be the key to safety
there as Doug guided me on the approved path for sea kayakers out of the
harbor.  Whale watching zodiacs were out there too, and the inner harbor
ferry, and car ferries from more distant harbors.





It was late afternoon as we headed out to sea, so shadows were lengthening,
and my camera had to be pushed to get photos at all.  As Doug related, my
mouth got a bit un-hinged by my excitement at being there and the beauty of
the place and the water.  It's crystal clear, and turns black with the depths
as you move away from shore.  In the distance across the Strait of Juan de
Fuca are the mountains of the Olympic peninsula, in their blue and purple
early evening hues.  The skies were clear and blue, the temperatures
invigorating (certainly so by Gulf Coast Texas standards!).  It hardly gets
better than this.





The stiff breeze that pushed us out of the harbor laid down as we paddled on,
above bull kelp forests and by harbor seal haul-outs.  A pair of wood ducks
winged past us, honking complaints about the intrusion on their part of the
shoreline.  Multistory highrises of the harbor gave way to more sparse
settlement on the rocky shores.  The sun slipped lower on the horizon.





Our end destination was a small set of islands.    Doug decided he'd test out
how well healed he was, or how much he could still do since a non-kayak
related injury a few months back.  Sounds to me like he went a bit too far.  I
am not going to add on to the story that I paddled too hard - he really did
have a pre-existing condition!  The photos include one of his beautifully
executed deep braces.  Had to razz him about clunking the stern of his boat.
What you should know is that on further inspection, I noticed he has
reinforced the stern of that boat with a brass keel strip, so of course he
wasn't overly concerned about hitting there, or dragging the boat across a
pebble beach!





OK, so I was really jazzed by the paddling opportunity and it got me to
jabbering.  Doug Lloyd is a really nice person and a superb paddler.  The
setting was beautiful and it was a rare opportunity for me to paddle with
someone who has paddled so well and so close to "the edge".  I was surprised I
was the first out-of-town Paddlewiser to meet Doug.  If you're ever in
Victoria, for heaven's sake, follow the yellow brick road and get to meet the
Wizard in person.  And thank you, Doug, for a wonderful paddle and the
opportunity to meet you in my favorite medium - on the water!





Natalie Wiest


Galveston TX USA






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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie's narrative
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:52:54 -0400
At 02:01 PM 10/18/00 -0500, Natalie Wiest wrote:
>Subtitle: Texan been seein' BC
>
 If
>you'd like to see the photographs and additional comments, please go to my Web
>page report at: www.tamug.tamu.edu/paddler/paddlinBC.

add a .html to that URL and it will work.


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From: Luke Hoffman <lukeh_at_hiwaay.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:34:50 -0500
I was browsing one of the local outdoor stores at lunch.  They were closing 
out their kayaks for the season.  They had a Perception Eclipse on sale for 
about $400 off the list price.  I could use a good multiday boat and it was 
awfully pretty.  Any opinions on the boat?

                             Luke

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From: <HTERVORT_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:43:47 EDT
In a message dated 4/13/99 1:37:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
snw_man_98_at_yahoo.com writes:

<< . . . . Now I am looking to buy a
 kayak, mostly because of the solo aspect of the craft.
  I live in maine and will be paddling along the coast
 withg some short overnight trips.. . . .the perception eclipse is
 the most apeling to me.  Does any one own this boat or
 have any experiences with perception that could help
 me in my choice?  Also can anyone help me in knowing
 what accesorys I will need at first?  Your help is
 greatly apreciated.
 
 Michael Brown >>

Michael,

The Eclipse is the new, improved version of the venerable Sea Lion, which has 
well-served thousands of kayakers for many years.  It is an excellent kayak, 
and (assuming it fits your intended use) should work well for you.  I've 
paddled many kayaks and once had a Sea Lion which served as my principle 
kayak and I like them.  Now if you can get it in the glass or Kevlar version, 
oh my!

As to accessories, I'd encourage you to first spend $ on lessons and a really 
good sea kayaking manual.

Happy paddling,
Harold
So. Cal.

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From: <HTERVORT_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:52:14 EDT
In a message dated 4/15/99 11:42:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes:

<<I have a question about the Eclipse... Does it weathercock? How about the 
Vizcaya? The latter looks
 like a really nice hull, but I HATE plastic boats that weathercock. About
 the only one that does fine without skeg or rudder is the Dagger Magellan,>>

I've never experienced a kayak that doesn't have *some* weather helm (weather 
cocking) in heavy conditions.  The trick is to find one that fits your 
definition of best performance in the widest possible range of conditions.  I 
thoroughly believe that, regardless of the kayak you select, you will 
occasionally find yourself in conditions that make you thoroughly 
disappointed in that boat.  It just isn't possible to make a boat that is all 
things to all people in all conditions.

I've paddled the Sea Lion (the predecessor of the Eclipse) a lot in heavy 
conditions.  My impression was that it was loose-tracking enough and 
responsive enough to hip-steering that it was very easy to control weather 
helm in most conditions.  I don't remember it ever exhibiting excessive 
weather helm.  

I don't have any experience with the Vizcaya, though it is an 
interesting-looking boat.  Since it is a new model, you would definitely want 
to paddle it in a wide range of conditions before selecting it.  The Magellan 
I have never paddled, but I have a friend who has a fiberglass Magellan SK 
(with skeg) and she positively loves it. 

You really need to try the boats out if you want to make an informed 
decision.  Every boat will respond differently for different paddlers, 
depending upon their weight, strengths, style and the location of their 
normal paddler/boat center of gravity.  Also, everyone's judgment of a 
particular boat is very subjective, colored heavily by their tastes and 
styles, and their opinion of what constitutes good performance in a kayak, or 
even what constitutes something as seemingly clear as "weather-cocking". 
Therefore, you should be careful about putting too much weight in my (or 
anyone else's) experience with a particular boat   

Since you're in WA, try going to NWOC, PWS and the other suppliers in your 
area and try everything in their fleets.  When you feel you can narrow your 
selection process down to two or three models, rent them for a day or two and 
get them out in as wide a variety of conditions as you can.  If a clear 
winner becomes apparent, buy it and love it forever.  If not, you can make 
your final decision between the front-runners based upon features, trust in 
the manufacturer, history, price, warranty and other such factors -- not the 
least of which will be color and sex-appeal. :-)

One other thing.  No matter your choice, as you acclimate to the boat and 
become more familiar with its performance curve, you will find it easier to 
control and more satisfying to paddle.

Good Luck, and let us know how it goes.

Harold
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From: <gpwecho_at_juno.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:13:21 -0500
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:52:14 EDT HTERVORT_at_aol.com writes:
>In a message dated 4/15/99 11:42:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes:
>
><<I have a question about the Eclipse... Does it weathercock? How 
>about the 
>Vizcaya? The latter looks
>         << snip >> 

I paddle an old Sea Lion which I think is a "grand-dad" of the Eclipse. 
I have not seen an Eclipse and am wondering what the REAL differences in
construction are.  I would like a new boat, but just keep on loading "the
Lion" stern heavy and keeping the deck as clear as possible.  I am tall,
so I use a rearward seat position also.   Wind is not a problem for me on
large inland lakes and rivers.  Don't have much coastal experience except
in calm conditions.
 I read about fibreglas boats, but am not very careful loading,
portaging, landing, etc.  I'm a poly-forever I think strictly due to
durability.   My attempts at using fibreglas elsewhere for
repair-maintenance, have been "cause for alarm" and not very satisfying. 
Paddle repairs have held, and patches have worked, but Geez, do they look
awful ...
Beautiful weekend shaping up down here ....mare's tails flying and a
"kick-fire cool front"  due in tonight ......Ya'll have a safe weekend !!
Peyton (Louisiana)
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From: Luke Hoffman <lukeh_at_hiwaay.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:14:40 -0500
At 03:30 PM 10/18/00 -0700, Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe wrote:
 >Any way to go on a test paddle?  The proof is in the paddlin'!  The Eclipse
 >is a decent rotomolded boat.  Easily manouvered by you or the wind so it is
 >rather rudder dependent in certain conditions.  It has plenty of gear space
 >and stability curves in the middle of the proverbial road.  $400 off retail
 >is a good price.
Probably not and I'm not sure it would help a lot.  I've been paddling a 
recreational boat and a SOT.  I'm not sure I'd be a good judge of a "real" 
touring kayak.

                                     Luke

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From: John Fereira <jaf30_at_cornell.edu>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:37:26 -0400
At 03:34 PM 10/18/00 -0500, Luke Hoffman wrote:
>I was browsing one of the local outdoor stores at lunch.  They were closing 
>out their kayaks for the season.  They had a Perception Eclipse on sale for 
>about $400 off the list price.  I could use a good multiday boat and it was 
>awfully pretty.  Any opinions on the boat?

The Eclipse is the flagship kayak from Perception (along with the Shadow, a
lower volume version of the Eclipse).  It's a nice boat, though I think
there are others that are better.  Still, a $400 discount would provide a
good incentive if you're in the market for a good top of the line touring boat.

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From: Luke Hoffman <lukeh_at_hiwaay.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Perception Eclipse
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:52:23 -0500
At 08:37 AM 10/19/00 -0400, John Fereira wrote:
>The Eclipse is the flagship kayak from Perception (along with the Shadow, a
>lower volume version of the Eclipse).  It's a nice boat, though I think
>there are others that are better.  Still, a $400 discount would provide a
>good incentive if you're in the market for a good top of the line touring 
>boat.

Thanks for the input John.  It seems to be the consensus that the Eclipse 
is a good boat, but there are better.  I'm going to go take another look at 
it and factor the input I've gotten with the price and how it sits.

                                             Luke



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From: <HenryHast_at_aol.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie's narrative
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:39:54 EDT
In a message dated 10/18/00 3:33:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
wiestn_at_tamug.tamu.edu writes:

<< www.tamug.tamu.edu/paddler/paddlinBC. >>

When I try to get this page, I get an unavailable message that I can go to 
Tamug home page, but I can't get there from it either.  Is this URL correct? 

Really enjoyed reading both Doug's and Natalie's narratives.  Thank you to 
both of you.  When shall I come, Doug?

Also, I very much appreciate all the tent information that has come forth.  
Any more info about what tents other paddlewisers have and what you like or 
don't like about them will similarly be much appreciated.  Jackie, I wonder 
if this would be a good subject for the archives.  

Hank
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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie's narrative
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:44:42 -0700
Hank said:

<snip>
<<Really enjoyed reading both Doug's and Natalie's narratives.  Thank
you to
both of you.  When shall I come, Doug?>>

Anytime is okay, but preferably winter storm season when I'm in shape
and you can see that "size doesn't matter". And if you see that Natalie
gal down yonder, tell her she needs to travel further north to Alaska to
meet those big, burly, black-bearded male kayakers :-). I think Melissa
said she wants to head up to Alaska too, some day. She says the move is
desirable so as to take her and her wee little boatie to a paddler's
dream area. However, we know the real reason don't we? Yup, there's big,
black bearded kayakers up in them-thar hills.

Well, actually Henry, in all seriousness, one of the reasons I like
paddling as a sport so much is that it isn't a respecter of person. It
doesn't matter if you a short, tall, thin, pleasantly plump, handsome as
JR, gorgeous as Elisabeth Hurely, or as ugly as sin, the ocean (and/or
lakes, rivers) only ask that you show respect and indicate some growth
-- and come with an open heart. I spent years as a lonely single, yet
enjoying the comfort and solitude the sea provided. I called it my "sea
of love" (_there's_ a theme song for ya). Some of us are lucky in life:
we are good looking, easily find a partner, employment, etc. Others
perhaps, are not so lucky, and can't even get a decent date at times or
whatever -- or get left behind in the dust of divorce. But in all this,
the sea is there, calling to all equally to partake, to be enriched by
all its beauty, wildness, and life-giving bounty.

Sorry for the digression. Glad you enjoyed the mini trip reports.
Natalie's narrative was a bit embarrassing for me with her bits of
adjuration, but we did have a great time - and Natalie got lucky with
the weather as Victoria was in between seasons and unusually calm. BTW,
the last shot  on Nat's web page is me sitting in the Huntsman kayak she
used.

You also said:
<Also, I very much appreciate all the tent information that has come
forth.
Any more info about what tents other paddlewisers have and what you like
or
don't like about them will similarly be much appreciated.> <snip>

I personally don't like single walled tents. Too much condensation
around here, anyway. Also, the folks i paddle with who have them, always
put a big tarp over them anyway. I use North Face tent which are a good
compromise of economy and durability/design.

So when do you want to go camping?

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd (205 lbs, 5' 7", with extra blubber layer for thermal
insulation, and receding hairline for better aerodynamics in storms)


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From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie's narrative
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 18:50:28 -0700
I said:
<snip>
<<Natalie's narrative was a bit embarrassing for me with her bits of
adjuration, but we did have a great time - and Natalie got lucky with
the weather as Victoria was in between seasons and unusually calm.>>
<snip>

Sorry, that should be "adulation:, not adjuration. Dang spell check  --
though I do get lots of adjuration from my wife: ie, nagging :-).

On another topic, has anyone heard about a new paddling magazine coming
out soon, from Canada? It is supposed to be the same people who produce
"Rapid" magazine (devoted to river kayakers). I heard the name might me
"Touring" or some such thing. Hey, maybe they pay better than writing on
PW :-)

BC'in Ya
Doug Lloyd




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From: Gabriel L Romeu <romeug_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie'snarrative
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 23:09:30 -0400
I don't know Doug, my pay has doubled every year I have been
on...gabriel

 I heard the name might me
> "Touring" or some such thing. Hey, maybe they pay better than writing on
> PW :-)
> 
> BC'in Ya
> Doug Lloyd
>
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From: Jackie Fenton <jackie_at_intelenet.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] A nice paddle with Doug Lloyd - Natalie's narrative
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:11:52 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net>

> Sorry, that should be "adulation:, not adjuration. Dang spell check  --
> though I do get lots of adjuration from my wife: ie, nagging :-).
> 
> On another topic, has anyone heard about a new paddling magazine coming
> out soon, from Canada? It is supposed to be the same people who produce
> "Rapid" magazine (devoted to river kayakers). I heard the name might me
> "Touring" or some such thing. Hey, maybe they pay better than writing on
> PW :-)


You probably won't get as much adjuration, though.... :-p

Cheers,

Jackie
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