Subtitle: Texan been seein' BC Sub-sub title: Munchkin and Wizard set out to Sea As you all may have read already, I had the privilege of getting to paddle with Doug Lloyd in his home setting of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada a few weeks back. He was a lot faster in posting his trip report, but I was awaiting the photographic evidence, so with that in hand, and still with plenty of word power left to describe the trip, following is my report. If you'd like to see the photographs and additional comments, please go to my Web page report at: www.tamug.tamu.edu/paddler/paddlinBC. As Doug has related, I had contacted him some time ago about the potential for paddling in conjunction with my professional conference. As the date drew closer and the moment of meeting and paddling was upon us, I was having some real self-doubts. Had I put myself at the mercy of some super paddling ego who would delight in trashing a fool tourist at sea; would I be perceived as some kind of paddling groupie, wanting to hit on the famous Doug Lloyd, wreck his relationship with his wife, etc., etc? The voice on the phone mail messages was good humored, not a hint of a negative. Thankfully when live voice contact was made, it was Yvonne who answered the phone at the other end, so woman-to-woman, I could ask if it was REALLY OK to go out paddling with Doug. A chuckle and "oh, yes" at the other end. Then the Meister himself, and final arrangements. We were on! Of course my vision of Doug had to do with someone the build of Arnold Schwarzenegger, and for these far north parts, surely a full black beard. The phone conversation slightly revised that to medium height, light brown hair. That was at least closer. I'm not going near any further physical description, but let it suffice to say Doug is still a giant in my mind. Part of my motivation in meeting Doug was to get a look at his gear. I was not disappointed. First off, the red van that I knew was the family decision on spending the money we all tried to advise him on last year. Who could miss that vehicle, with the two sea kayaks atop it, in the hotel district of Victoria? Sure, it was reassuring as we got ready to paddle, to see that Doug had the flare gun already loaded, with three backup flares, and he assured me he could shoot it "even if my hands are freezing cold and numb". Eek, does this mean we'll have Doug Lloyd-style mega-adventure complete with Coast Guard rescue? THE NORDKAPP was of intense interest to me. You should know that Doug teaches woodworking, in addition to his full time job, and he is quite a craftsman. THE NORDKAPP looked from the outside like it had just come off the showroom floor. And in an approved color combination, yellow deck and white hull, just like my Falcon at home. On its back deck, a small flag to add to visibility to motor traffic in the harbor. I had been watching the float planes landing and taking off in the harbor and knew avoidance would be the key to safety there as Doug guided me on the approved path for sea kayakers out of the harbor. Whale watching zodiacs were out there too, and the inner harbor ferry, and car ferries from more distant harbors. It was late afternoon as we headed out to sea, so shadows were lengthening, and my camera had to be pushed to get photos at all. As Doug related, my mouth got a bit un-hinged by my excitement at being there and the beauty of the place and the water. It's crystal clear, and turns black with the depths as you move away from shore. In the distance across the Strait of Juan de Fuca are the mountains of the Olympic peninsula, in their blue and purple early evening hues. The skies were clear and blue, the temperatures invigorating (certainly so by Gulf Coast Texas standards!). It hardly gets better than this. The stiff breeze that pushed us out of the harbor laid down as we paddled on, above bull kelp forests and by harbor seal haul-outs. A pair of wood ducks winged past us, honking complaints about the intrusion on their part of the shoreline. Multistory highrises of the harbor gave way to more sparse settlement on the rocky shores. The sun slipped lower on the horizon. Our end destination was a small set of islands. Doug decided he'd test out how well healed he was, or how much he could still do since a non-kayak related injury a few months back. Sounds to me like he went a bit too far. I am not going to add on to the story that I paddled too hard - he really did have a pre-existing condition! The photos include one of his beautifully executed deep braces. Had to razz him about clunking the stern of his boat. What you should know is that on further inspection, I noticed he has reinforced the stern of that boat with a brass keel strip, so of course he wasn't overly concerned about hitting there, or dragging the boat across a pebble beach! OK, so I was really jazzed by the paddling opportunity and it got me to jabbering. Doug Lloyd is a really nice person and a superb paddler. The setting was beautiful and it was a rare opportunity for me to paddle with someone who has paddled so well and so close to "the edge". I was surprised I was the first out-of-town Paddlewiser to meet Doug. If you're ever in Victoria, for heaven's sake, follow the yellow brick road and get to meet the Wizard in person. And thank you, Doug, for a wonderful paddle and the opportunity to meet you in my favorite medium - on the water! Natalie Wiest Galveston TX USA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 02:01 PM 10/18/00 -0500, Natalie Wiest wrote: >Subtitle: Texan been seein' BC > If >you'd like to see the photographs and additional comments, please go to my Web >page report at: www.tamug.tamu.edu/paddler/paddlinBC. add a .html to that URL and it will work. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was browsing one of the local outdoor stores at lunch. They were closing out their kayaks for the season. They had a Perception Eclipse on sale for about $400 off the list price. I could use a good multiday boat and it was awfully pretty. Any opinions on the boat? Luke *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/13/99 1:37:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, snw_man_98_at_yahoo.com writes: << . . . . Now I am looking to buy a kayak, mostly because of the solo aspect of the craft. I live in maine and will be paddling along the coast withg some short overnight trips.. . . .the perception eclipse is the most apeling to me. Does any one own this boat or have any experiences with perception that could help me in my choice? Also can anyone help me in knowing what accesorys I will need at first? Your help is greatly apreciated. Michael Brown >> Michael, The Eclipse is the new, improved version of the venerable Sea Lion, which has well-served thousands of kayakers for many years. It is an excellent kayak, and (assuming it fits your intended use) should work well for you. I've paddled many kayaks and once had a Sea Lion which served as my principle kayak and I like them. Now if you can get it in the glass or Kevlar version, oh my! As to accessories, I'd encourage you to first spend $ on lessons and a really good sea kayaking manual. Happy paddling, Harold So. Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 4/15/99 11:42:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes: <<I have a question about the Eclipse... Does it weathercock? How about the Vizcaya? The latter looks like a really nice hull, but I HATE plastic boats that weathercock. About the only one that does fine without skeg or rudder is the Dagger Magellan,>> I've never experienced a kayak that doesn't have *some* weather helm (weather cocking) in heavy conditions. The trick is to find one that fits your definition of best performance in the widest possible range of conditions. I thoroughly believe that, regardless of the kayak you select, you will occasionally find yourself in conditions that make you thoroughly disappointed in that boat. It just isn't possible to make a boat that is all things to all people in all conditions. I've paddled the Sea Lion (the predecessor of the Eclipse) a lot in heavy conditions. My impression was that it was loose-tracking enough and responsive enough to hip-steering that it was very easy to control weather helm in most conditions. I don't remember it ever exhibiting excessive weather helm. I don't have any experience with the Vizcaya, though it is an interesting-looking boat. Since it is a new model, you would definitely want to paddle it in a wide range of conditions before selecting it. The Magellan I have never paddled, but I have a friend who has a fiberglass Magellan SK (with skeg) and she positively loves it. You really need to try the boats out if you want to make an informed decision. Every boat will respond differently for different paddlers, depending upon their weight, strengths, style and the location of their normal paddler/boat center of gravity. Also, everyone's judgment of a particular boat is very subjective, colored heavily by their tastes and styles, and their opinion of what constitutes good performance in a kayak, or even what constitutes something as seemingly clear as "weather-cocking". Therefore, you should be careful about putting too much weight in my (or anyone else's) experience with a particular boat Since you're in WA, try going to NWOC, PWS and the other suppliers in your area and try everything in their fleets. When you feel you can narrow your selection process down to two or three models, rent them for a day or two and get them out in as wide a variety of conditions as you can. If a clear winner becomes apparent, buy it and love it forever. If not, you can make your final decision between the front-runners based upon features, trust in the manufacturer, history, price, warranty and other such factors -- not the least of which will be color and sex-appeal. :-) One other thing. No matter your choice, as you acclimate to the boat and become more familiar with its performance curve, you will find it easier to control and more satisfying to paddle. Good Luck, and let us know how it goes. Harold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 16:52:14 EDT HTERVORT_at_aol.com writes: >In a message dated 4/15/99 11:42:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >kwhilden_at_u.washington.edu writes: > ><<I have a question about the Eclipse... Does it weathercock? How >about the >Vizcaya? The latter looks > << snip >> I paddle an old Sea Lion which I think is a "grand-dad" of the Eclipse. I have not seen an Eclipse and am wondering what the REAL differences in construction are. I would like a new boat, but just keep on loading "the Lion" stern heavy and keeping the deck as clear as possible. I am tall, so I use a rearward seat position also. Wind is not a problem for me on large inland lakes and rivers. Don't have much coastal experience except in calm conditions. I read about fibreglas boats, but am not very careful loading, portaging, landing, etc. I'm a poly-forever I think strictly due to durability. My attempts at using fibreglas elsewhere for repair-maintenance, have been "cause for alarm" and not very satisfying. Paddle repairs have held, and patches have worked, but Geez, do they look awful ... Beautiful weekend shaping up down here ....mare's tails flying and a "kick-fire cool front" due in tonight ......Ya'll have a safe weekend !! Peyton (Louisiana) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:30 PM 10/18/00 -0700, Alder Creek Kayak & Canoe wrote: >Any way to go on a test paddle? The proof is in the paddlin'! The Eclipse >is a decent rotomolded boat. Easily manouvered by you or the wind so it is >rather rudder dependent in certain conditions. It has plenty of gear space >and stability curves in the middle of the proverbial road. $400 off retail >is a good price. Probably not and I'm not sure it would help a lot. I've been paddling a recreational boat and a SOT. I'm not sure I'd be a good judge of a "real" touring kayak. Luke *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 03:34 PM 10/18/00 -0500, Luke Hoffman wrote: >I was browsing one of the local outdoor stores at lunch. They were closing >out their kayaks for the season. They had a Perception Eclipse on sale for >about $400 off the list price. I could use a good multiday boat and it was >awfully pretty. Any opinions on the boat? The Eclipse is the flagship kayak from Perception (along with the Shadow, a lower volume version of the Eclipse). It's a nice boat, though I think there are others that are better. Still, a $400 discount would provide a good incentive if you're in the market for a good top of the line touring boat. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:37 AM 10/19/00 -0400, John Fereira wrote: >The Eclipse is the flagship kayak from Perception (along with the Shadow, a >lower volume version of the Eclipse). It's a nice boat, though I think >there are others that are better. Still, a $400 discount would provide a >good incentive if you're in the market for a good top of the line touring >boat. Thanks for the input John. It seems to be the consensus that the Eclipse is a good boat, but there are better. I'm going to go take another look at it and factor the input I've gotten with the price and how it sits. Luke *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/18/00 3:33:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wiestn_at_tamug.tamu.edu writes: << www.tamug.tamu.edu/paddler/paddlinBC. >> When I try to get this page, I get an unavailable message that I can go to Tamug home page, but I can't get there from it either. Is this URL correct? Really enjoyed reading both Doug's and Natalie's narratives. Thank you to both of you. When shall I come, Doug? Also, I very much appreciate all the tent information that has come forth. Any more info about what tents other paddlewisers have and what you like or don't like about them will similarly be much appreciated. Jackie, I wonder if this would be a good subject for the archives. Hank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hank said: <snip> <<Really enjoyed reading both Doug's and Natalie's narratives. Thank you to both of you. When shall I come, Doug?>> Anytime is okay, but preferably winter storm season when I'm in shape and you can see that "size doesn't matter". And if you see that Natalie gal down yonder, tell her she needs to travel further north to Alaska to meet those big, burly, black-bearded male kayakers :-). I think Melissa said she wants to head up to Alaska too, some day. She says the move is desirable so as to take her and her wee little boatie to a paddler's dream area. However, we know the real reason don't we? Yup, there's big, black bearded kayakers up in them-thar hills. Well, actually Henry, in all seriousness, one of the reasons I like paddling as a sport so much is that it isn't a respecter of person. It doesn't matter if you a short, tall, thin, pleasantly plump, handsome as JR, gorgeous as Elisabeth Hurely, or as ugly as sin, the ocean (and/or lakes, rivers) only ask that you show respect and indicate some growth -- and come with an open heart. I spent years as a lonely single, yet enjoying the comfort and solitude the sea provided. I called it my "sea of love" (_there's_ a theme song for ya). Some of us are lucky in life: we are good looking, easily find a partner, employment, etc. Others perhaps, are not so lucky, and can't even get a decent date at times or whatever -- or get left behind in the dust of divorce. But in all this, the sea is there, calling to all equally to partake, to be enriched by all its beauty, wildness, and life-giving bounty. Sorry for the digression. Glad you enjoyed the mini trip reports. Natalie's narrative was a bit embarrassing for me with her bits of adjuration, but we did have a great time - and Natalie got lucky with the weather as Victoria was in between seasons and unusually calm. BTW, the last shot on Nat's web page is me sitting in the Huntsman kayak she used. You also said: <Also, I very much appreciate all the tent information that has come forth. Any more info about what tents other paddlewisers have and what you like or don't like about them will similarly be much appreciated.> <snip> I personally don't like single walled tents. Too much condensation around here, anyway. Also, the folks i paddle with who have them, always put a big tarp over them anyway. I use North Face tent which are a good compromise of economy and durability/design. So when do you want to go camping? BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (205 lbs, 5' 7", with extra blubber layer for thermal insulation, and receding hairline for better aerodynamics in storms) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I said: <snip> <<Natalie's narrative was a bit embarrassing for me with her bits of adjuration, but we did have a great time - and Natalie got lucky with the weather as Victoria was in between seasons and unusually calm.>> <snip> Sorry, that should be "adulation:, not adjuration. Dang spell check -- though I do get lots of adjuration from my wife: ie, nagging :-). On another topic, has anyone heard about a new paddling magazine coming out soon, from Canada? It is supposed to be the same people who produce "Rapid" magazine (devoted to river kayakers). I heard the name might me "Touring" or some such thing. Hey, maybe they pay better than writing on PW :-) BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I don't know Doug, my pay has doubled every year I have been on...gabriel I heard the name might me > "Touring" or some such thing. Hey, maybe they pay better than writing on > PW :-) > > BC'in Ya > Doug Lloyd > -- : : Gabriel L Romeu : http://studiofurniture.com furniture from the workshop : http://members.xoom.com/gabrielR life as a tourist, daily journal : http://studiofurniture.com/paint paintings, photographs, etchings, objects *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> From: Doug Lloyd <dlloyd_at_telus.net> > Sorry, that should be "adulation:, not adjuration. Dang spell check -- > though I do get lots of adjuration from my wife: ie, nagging :-). > > On another topic, has anyone heard about a new paddling magazine coming > out soon, from Canada? It is supposed to be the same people who produce > "Rapid" magazine (devoted to river kayakers). I heard the name might me > "Touring" or some such thing. Hey, maybe they pay better than writing on > PW :-) You probably won't get as much adjuration, though.... :-p Cheers, Jackie *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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