I was talking to a Parks and Wildlife employee about the opening a new kayak trail. I mentioned something about rolling and she said something like We don't need any of that down here. We paddle "water stable" boats. I had never heard this term before. When I asked her what some models were she mentiononed Kewee's, Old-town Loon, Scupper-Pro, and Perception Osprey. The Kewee and Loon I have heard described as "Recreational Kayaks". The Scupper-Pro and Osprey I have always heard of jus as "Sit-on-tops". Has any body out there heard this "water stable" terminology. It worries me that this would make people think the boats can not turn over. You may not be able to roll these boats, but I think its very important to know and practice self-rescue in these boats. This coming from a Parks and Wildlife person who said she also guided was a little worrisome to me. Mark J. Arnold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
That sounds just a little elitist and ignorant all at the same time. Here we've been talking about the subject of governmental regulation, and that type of statement from an apparent agent of the government is just disturbing. What if someone else (less knowledgeable than you) spoke with the same park employee--they might go buy a boat that is too wide for them, because they have the mistaken impression that narrower boats are "illegal" in your area. Does this park employee have any policy-making authority? If not, don't worry about it. If so, this could be a very sticky situation. They could be viewed as a 'local expert' even by their superiors, so you might not be able to present a differing opinion to them. "We don't need any of that down here. We paddle "water stable" boats." BTW, what do you think she meant by 'WE'? We as in "the group I paddle with" or We as in "everyone in my little jurisdiction" *evil laugh*. If rules get made so that "water stable boats" are required, I can get you a good deal on an OT Loon! Up here in Montana, We (my paddling partner) needed a less water stable boat--something to be rolled! Good luck, Shawn -- Shawn W. Baker 0 46°53'N © 2000 ____©/______ 114°06'W ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\ ,/ /~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^ baker_at_montana.com 0 http://www.geocities.com/shawnkayak/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/03/2000 6:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MJAkayaker_at_aol.com writes: << I mentioned something about rolling and she said something like We don't need any of that down here. We paddle "water stable" boats. I had never heard this term before. When I asked her what some models were she mentiononed Kewee's, Old-town Loon, Scupper-Pro, and Perception Osprey. The Kewee and Loon I have heard described as "Recreational Kayaks". The Scupper-Pro and Osprey I have always heard of jus as "Sit-on-tops". >> There are a bunch of us recreational paddlers who wouldn't even dream of trying to learn how to roll. However, I agree that rescues should be learned. I'm becoming quite enamored of river paddling - the scenery is lovely and the riverbank is usually a short swim away. sandy kramer who just got back from paddling her Old Town Canoe's Dimension Solo, a water stable boat if I ever saw one - it has external sponsons. The rains spreading out from Hurricane Keith (or is it from Joyce?) have been bizarre. Many cares were stranded in Miami last night. The lake overflowed and the shoreline is about 25 ft away from my back gate. A short drag, and I was away. It is neat to paddle and swim over the bike path. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 10/4/00 8:58:51 AM Central Daylight Time, baker_at_montana.com writes: << BTW, what do you think she meant by 'WE'? We as in "the group I paddle with" or We as in "everyone in my little jurisdiction" *evil laugh*. >> I am sure it was "the group I paddle with". She had worked for a particular outfitter who "taught" her that term. She used those kind of boats when she quided. Her guiding was oriented to fly-fishing out of kayaks. The boats she mentioned make a lot of sense for that type of thing, but it just struck me the wrong way in the way she talked about them. Mark J. Arnold *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - All postings copyright the author and not to be reproduced/forwarded outside PaddleWise without author's permission Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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