Dave Kruger said: <snip> <<< I wonder what it is in the psychological makeup of a Duane or a Jim that compels him to haul out the "W" word to apply to the rest of us?>>> <snip> Thanks Dave for wording your post the way you did. My pervious post sure turned out mumbo-jumbo like (you separated the issues into two posts, thank you). But, I sure don't want to dare try to take a walk through Duane's head. Second guessing motives and a person's psychological make-up isn't a game I want to play ,nor do you I see, you simply were curious). Originally, I was simply using Duane's post as an example of how easy it is for a kayaker to get too full of themselves -- having "been there and done that" myself. I just didn't feel that ultimately, kayaking should be about ego and superiority, etc. For myself and many of the friends I've paddled with, paddling (sea kayaking, especially) is about letting nature imprint itself on you, not trying to imprint yourself on nature - IMHO. I still respect and admire Duane and Jim's accomplishments. And you do need a strong ego and sense of self to do the things they do. My shoulder tendonitis keeps me from Duane's type of accomplishments, and I am often jealous of him. I was especially embarrassed last summer posting my return to the Storm Island crossing trip, knowing Duane would be reading my "narrow" crossing report - compared to what he does. Ultimately, I'd love to read Duane's crossing(s) story in somewhere like SK Magazine. But he needs to change his tune. I'm sure he can walk the talk, but sometimes it is best to stop talking and let the walking talk for itself. His walkings speak volumes on their own. As far as crossing in the fog, I wasn't there and so will reserve judgment. I'm sure Duane and Jim aren't into killing themselves. I'm more likely to expire before these two well conditioned athletes. But fog and crossings and shipping channels are NOT something to be flippant about, and as stated earlier, writing about it must be handled accordingly - IMHO. For me, not paddling in fog where avoidable is an absolutely non-negotiable item - always has been, always will be with me. It is one of the reasons the three of us did our inside passage trip in April, rather summer when on can hardly see the nose of their kayak. The Lan Nina expedition report gives a sense of what it is like to paddle the open coast in fog. It also highlights how leadership decisions and the consensus approach to decision making can be a little bit more complicated than at first sight. The team, however, lent incredible insight into the issue in the way they covered the issue in their official trip story. Dave also said: <snip> <<<Now, I can handle some of that, and understand where is it needed to build group esprit, but it came into the guy's talk time and time again. It was a direct put-down of other paddlers and the way they paddle.>>> <<<I'll never go to another Tsunami Ranger talk again. That guy cooked it for me (I can't recall his name -- was not Soares -- he also talked but did a great job).>>> They were amongst the ones I was thinking of while writing my post about egos and symposia. Of course, this is often offset by the likes of humble paddlers - like Chris Duff. Eric Soares, however, IS a cool guy. A man's man of wild kayaking, yet loves the ocean playground with childish glee. He knows his stuff, and when to back off - including bragging (though he does have bragging rights and makes the best of it with the media down yonder). BC'in Ya Doug Lloyd (back to lurksville :-) ) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************Received on Mon Nov 13 2000 - 10:12:08 PST
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